Sports Hub!

[cashman]

Aye but if people are that stupid to blame the club, then i doubt very much if their was any goodwill by those anyway?

[dabeast]

Originally Posted by KiTChener

Out of around 150 in the room, only 3 people, including our 'Council Leader', Miles Parkinson, were in favour of ASCT taking over Highams.

Miles kept on insisting that 'many more people are in favour of the proposal', but, on last night's evidence, I find that difficult to believe to say the least, as only two of the 'many' bothered to turn up!

If you read the original 'invite' as posted at the top of page 3 it's clear that they were only asking those people against the proposals to attend, so this is no surprise.

From the outside it looks like group of NIMBY's having a moan who would welcome the scheme if it was elsewhere. This sort of opposition will exist wherever the hub were to be based.

Did the meeting propose any alternative sites where such opposition would not be a hurdle?

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by KiTChener

Depends how you define 'one sided'!

Out of around 150 in the room, only 3 people, including our 'Council Leader', Miles Parkinson, were in favour of ASCT taking over Highams.

Miles kept on insisting that 'many more people are in favour of the proposal', but, on last night's evidence, I find that difficult to believe to say the least, as only two of the 'many' bothered to turn up!

As I have said before, I am a great admirer of what the Trust is achieving, but I think that they are making a terrible mistake in attempting to take away public space, upsetting local residents etc., and, in the end, the football club will suffer by implication, as their name is being used.

Any goodwill that Stanley have achieved in recent years will be destroyed if this proposal succeeds.

One sided as in where 140 selfish gits get together to try to stop something thats clearly going to be advantageous for the town as a whole.

Not sure why you find that so hard to believe last nights meeting was seen as nothing more than an exercise for a few selfish nimbys who carnt be bothered to find somewhere else for their dogs to crap to meet up and concoct other way out reasons for stopping a project that everyone else can see is beneficial for the town as a whole.

You clearly have reading difficulties as its been stated numerous times by lots of different people the latest being the clubs owner as recently as yesterday that this application has nothing to do with Accrington Stanley Football Club [if it were a lot of the grant money it has attracted simply wouldnt of been given to it ] so move on and accept youve lost that one already

This is quite simple really should 140 selfish people be able to stop a two million pounds plus investment in facilities for the towns young sports people ? Should they hell as like if they want somewhere for their dogs to crap get together and buy yourselves somewhere for that if not let the Trust get on and provide these magnificent facilities for the town and its young people.

[Christies Child]

As an outsider looking in it seems to me that it's another case of the silent majority not getting its wishes due to attitude of a small minority.

Reminds me in many ways of the fracking arguement where those opposed claim to speak for the majority of Lancashire folk when in truth no pole of the entire Lancashire population have ever been consulted. Once again a classic case of NIMBYism.

[cashman]

Originally Posted by Christies Child

As an outsider looking in it seems to me that it's another case of the silent majority not getting its wishes due to attitude of a small minority.

Reminds me in many ways of the fracking arguement where those opposed claim to speak for the majority of Lancashire folk when in truth no pole of the entire Lancashire population have ever been consulted. Once again a classic case of NIMBYism.

Sums things up pretty well i reckon.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

Ooh its a bit busy

A couple more pictures

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by Neil

A couple more pictures

Aye and every one of them should hang their heads in shame for what theyre doing to deny the future youth of the town an asset that every other town would be proud to have for their own very selfish reasons which they make even worse by trying to dress them up with other issues that most of them couldn't actually care less about.

[Neil]

I think the sports hub proposal is really good for Hyndburn but the loss of freely accessible public land is not good for Hyndburn. Whatever happens with this proposal we can be sure it isn't the first and won't be the last piece of land Hyndburn Borough Council will try and sell off or pass over to some other organisation to manage for them.

One question asked last night was - "What is HBC getting out of this deal?"

It was answered but some people still think HBC are making money out of the proposal. They are not, what they are doing is saving the money they previously spent on the maintenance of Highams. This could mean more maintenance will be able to be done on other areas in Hyndburn or it could mean the Council will be able to reduce their workforce as that maintenance is no longer needed.

The important information from last night was that the Trust expects to have the project plans/proposal completed by their architects within 4 to 6 weeks. It is then expected the Trust will hold a public meeting to explain the plans and answer questions.

An interesting irony in all this is that Hyndburn Borough Council protected Highams from this kind of thing by making it a Field in Trust

More info on Fields in Trust here Highams Playing Field, Thorneyholme Road, Accrington, Lancashire, BB5 6BD - Fields in Trust

[Neil]

Originally Posted by NORTHERNSOUL

Aye and every one of them should hang their heads in shame for what theyre doing to deny the future youth of the town an asset that every other town would be proud to have for their own very selfish reasons which they make even worse by trying to dress them up with other issues that most of them couldn't actually care less about.

Of course they shouldn't hang their heads in shame. They went to the meeting to oppose something they have been given very little information about. If they had been given more information from the start maybe more people from the immediate area would be ok with the proposal.

It's ok you mentioning nimby ism but when it could well affect the local people on a daily basis they have a right to know more and to object if they feel the late night light and noise will affect them. Or if they don't want more traffic on the road outside their home. Many are against because they expect a fence all the way around the area and they will lose what has been their free to access at anytime green space.

[dabeast]

Originally Posted by Neil

Of course they shouldn't hang their heads in shame. They went to the meeting to oppose something they have been given very little information about. If they had been given more information from the start maybe more people from the immediate area would be ok with the proposal.

It's ok you mentioning nimby ism but when it could well affect the local people on a daily basis they have a right to know more and to object if they feel the late night light and noise will affect them. Or if they don't want more traffic on the road outside their home. Many are against because they expect a fence all the way around the area and they will lose what has been their free to access at anytime green space.

As far as I can tell the trust have put as much information as they currently have available on their website, and have promised to keep the public informed when plans are more advanced (part of what you said above confirms this impression). So the trust aren't telling any half truths or making any unsubstantiated claims.

Quite why those opposed to the plans can't wait until then to discuss it points towards their opposition being self motivated rather than fact based.

[Neil]

Originally Posted by dabeast

As far as I can tell the trust have put as much information as they currently have available on their website, and have promised to keep the public informed when plans are more advanced (part of what you said above confirms this impression). So the trust aren't telling any half truths or making any unsubstantiated claims.

Quite why those opposed to the plans can't wait until then to discuss it points towards their opposition being self motivated rather than fact based.

They are telling people some information yes but they haven't explained where the local residents will be able to access free green space to play with their children which is one concern.

I think it was good for that group to meet last night. It appeared they have now organised themselves for when the plans are available.

[cashman]

So why didn't they attend the original residents meeting?if they were that concerned surely they would have! or have the sheep waited for shepherd "Pritchard" and the slimeballs to wind them up?

[maccawozzagod]

the original residents meeting was nothing of the sort. It was confirmed last night by Miles Parkinson (leader of the council) that ASCT had approached Laneside Residents Association who then backed the idea. The inference was that it was one guy.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by Neil

I think the sports hub proposal is really good for Hyndburn but the loss of freely accessible public land is not good for Hyndburn. Whatever happens with this proposal we can be sure it isn't the first and won't be the last piece of land Hyndburn Borough Council will try and sell off or pass over to some other organisation to manage for them.

One question asked last night was - "What is HBC getting out of this deal?"

It was answered but some people still think HBC are making money out of the proposal. They are not, what they are doing is saving the money they previously spent on the maintenance of Highams. This could mean more maintenance will be able to be done on other areas in Hyndburn or it could mean the Council will be able to reduce their workforce as that maintenance is no longer needed.

The important information from last night was that the Trust expects to have the project plans/proposal completed by their architects within 4 to 6 weeks. It is then expected the Trust will hold a public meeting to explain the plans and answer questions.

An interesting irony in all this is that Hyndburn Borough Council protected Highams from this kind of thing by making it a Field in Trust

More info on Fields in Trust here Highams Playing Field, Thorneyholme Road, Accrington, Lancashire, BB5 6BD - Fields in Trust

Yes but to protect it from some unscrupulous property developer and to thwart these excellent plans are two completely different situations and should be seen as such.

[NORTHERNSOUL]

Originally Posted by Neil

Of course they shouldn't hang their heads in shame. They went to the meeting to oppose something they have been given very little information about. If they had been given more information from the start maybe more people from the immediate area would be ok with the proposal.

It's ok you mentioning nimby ism but when it could well affect the local people on a daily basis they have a right to know more and to object if they feel the late night light and noise will affect them. Or if they don't want more traffic on the road outside their home. Many are against because they expect a fence all the way around the area and they will lose what has been their free to access at anytime green space.

Well in that case maybe before gobbing off they should perhaps take the time and effort to study the preliminary information thats been provided which i.m pretty sure addresses all the issues youve mentioned including showing a plan which clearly shows that the whole playing fields area will NOT be fenced off.