Stanley steward today - Page 3

lancsdave · 04-03-2007, 21:30

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

so whats happens if your disabled and cant sit down for more than ten minutes .that means your discriminating

I'm pretty sure anyone who has a disability of that nature wouldn't even think of going somewhere they knew they had to sit for 90 minutes. If the same person decided they wanted to go to the cinema and stood in front of you for the duration of the film would you still be happy to backup their claim for discrimination because the cinema doesn't set aside an area for people to stand and watch a film ?

I do a lot of driving and hate some of the speed limts we have. However if I see a speed camera in a 30mph zone I don't go driving past it at 50mph shouting "I don't agree with your poxy law". I know the penalty regardless of wether I agree with it or not.

The same applies if you are entering a football ground, if the rules say you have to sit then why do people think they can totally ignore it and then complain when action is taken them ?

cmonstanley · 04-03-2007, 22:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave

I'm pretty sure anyone who has a disability of that nature wouldn't even think of going somewhere they knew they had to sit for 90 minutes. If the same person decided they wanted to go to the cinema and stood in front of you for the duration of the film would you still be happy to backup their claim for discrimination because the cinema doesn't set aside an area for people to stand and watch a film ?

I do a lot of driving and hate some of the speed limts we have. However if I see a speed camera in a 30mph zone I don't go driving past it at 50mph shouting "I don't agree with your poxy law". I know the penalty regardless of wether I agree with it or not.

The same applies if you are entering a football ground, if the rules say you have to sit then why do people think they can totally ignore it and then complain when action is taken them ?

it wouldnt be by choice itll be because they are breaking the disability law

big al · 04-03-2007, 23:45

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

so whats happens if your disabled and cant sit down for more than ten minutes .that means your discriminating

If I understand right the Disability(Discrimination) act Sept 2006 covers this so all premises have to be disability friendly including football grounds. Stanley have facilities for access & an area set aside for wheelchairs & walking disabled for both sets of fans as is required by law. Rochdale too would have a setup to cover this too, as long as notice is given to accomodate in advance. However the area causing concern at Rochdale was too high up to validate your point as a disabled person would not have ventured there for seating or standing. Trust this answers your point.

Jimbo T Hornblower · 05-03-2007, 07:19

My take on this if it counts for anything - if people are stood up at the back of the stand I really cant see what harm that does law or no law - when they are stood up in the middle of the stand or if their standing obstructs peoples views then yes Id get a little annoyed if I was sat down but stood at the back of a stand?? Nowt wrong with that and in my opinion if stewards tell people to sit down who are stood at the back of the stand with nobody viewing behind them then youre rightly gonna get called a jobsworth because whose view are they blocking??? As Im sure the 'must sit down' rule is what its based on isnt it? Blocking others views/enjoyment of the entertainment on show?

Jimbo T

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[email protected] · 05-03-2007, 10:36

I was the second Accrington 'steward' at the match. I had been in the control room at Rochdale and was aware that fans were going to be ejected from the ground for standing in the seats. I made repeated requests for Stanley fans to sit as I was aware you were going to be thrown out. I also spoke to a number of supporters who have 'influence' over the youngers ones. At one point only 20 or so was standing. Big Al' was also aware you were going to be ejected from the ground, but a few mindless idiots turned on him when he was only trying to help you ALL!
Accrington are now in the football league and have to abide by football league rules. Rochdale and all other clubs have to abide by these rules or the council can take away your licence and you have no game.
At Accrington we have regular visits from the council due to complaints from other supporters so you are no different to anyone else.
The support you gave to the team was fantastic as was the atmosphere at the game, I request in future you sit down get behind your team and abide by the football league rules!!!!
Unless you want to return to Barrow etc.
PS
Big Al' is a top guy, you owe him an apology.

maccawozzagod · 05-03-2007, 10:45

The reason Big Al bore the brunt is because he was 'seen' to be pointing people out.

Tin Monkey · 05-03-2007, 10:47

God!!! Talk about going on and on. The person who originally posted has apologised and you lot still aren't satisfied!! What do you want them to do? Lie in the street and be flogged??

Give people a tiny bit of responsibility and it goes to their heads! This isn't MI5, you know? Perhaps you should look into an NVQ in Reality Studies or something?

[email protected] · 05-03-2007, 10:51

I suggest you invite him and Mick Schultz to your next meeting so this sort of thing dosen't happen again. and you could offer to buy him a pint. You were lucky only 27 were thrown out it could have been 127!

[email protected] · 05-03-2007, 10:56

The bottom line was WE did not want and Accy fans thrown out!

maccawozzagod · 05-03-2007, 11:40

The reason Big Al bore the brunt is because he was 'seen' to be pointing people out.

We ALL stood up so maybe we should ALL have been thrown out. The disappointing aspect of it was that the ejected were removed whilst downstairs at half time rather than being made an example of by being carted out of the crowd.

There are lessons to be learned on both sides here;
firstly we KNOW we are not allowed to stand so we shouldn't, if we get binned for it it is nobodies fault other than our own.
Secondly I thought that they could have better got the message across to us. I was stood to the left of the group and heard no steward telling us to sit down, I even thought at one point that we had done well to be allowed stand! The tannoy was very ineffective as we never stopped singing for long enough to hear it. If the entire body of stewards had come up the stand and spread out and enforced the message then we would have realised the severity of the situation and dealt with it.

maccawozzagod · 05-03-2007, 11:43

sorry my post was taken wrongly as I timed out of editing it after posting it well before I finished.

We were wrong and the stewards were right.

Whether the 'law' is right is a different matter entirely but that does not alter what went on. As I say Al took the brunt soley because he was seen pointing into the crowd numerous times and people were being ejected.

If he was working on our behalf then thank you for your efforts Al. and Mick. and Phil.

Tin Monkey · 05-03-2007, 11:44

Them and us...... is that the way to progress? Extremely poor and tinpot. Typical.

Oggy · 05-03-2007, 11:47

http://www.standupsitdown.co.uk/

Possibly the above link may be useful to fans.

Meanwhile can we have the same support tomorrow night, it's been quiet lately.
You can stand and shout all you like, or is it not the same if it's allowed?