Stanley steward today - Page 4

maccawozzagod · 05-03-2007, 11:56

so sorry if my lack of verbosity upsets you, maybe I should go back to using decasyllabic words that only intellects can comprehend?

yes, lets descend this thread into whom has the biggest argument. Vocabulary that is.

I see no reason to take that tone with me whatsoever when I have clearly stated that a) we were wrong and b) possible lessons to learn.

Oggy · 05-03-2007, 12:03

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

Secondly I thought that they could have better got the message across to us. I was stood to the left of the group and heard no steward telling us to sit down, I even thought at one point that we had done well to be allowed stand! The tannoy was very ineffective as we never stopped singing for long enough to hear it. If the entire body of stewards had come up the stand and spread out and enforced the message then we would have realised the severity of the situation and dealt with it.

Right, finally know what happened, first I knew was on this thread and I was sat directly in front of Ultras. Very sophisticated stewarding, thought they looked animated and pleased with themselves, take videos and then pick on a few at half time. Coppers were also there with the latest digital toys

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Yes, tannoy was useless all afternoon, and I didn't hear any directives to sit down from the stewards. Thought it had all gone well until I read this.

Tin Monkey · 05-03-2007, 12:18

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

so sorry if my lack of verbosity upsets you, maybe I should go back to using decasyllabic words that only intellects can comprehend?

yes, lets descend this thread into whom has the biggest argument. Vocabulary that is.

I see no reason to take that tone with me whatsoever when I have clearly stated that a) we were wrong and b) possible lessons to learn.

Hmmmm.... funny you should assume that I was referring to you Macca.

I was actually referring to the posts from the stewards. The language used e.g. YOU and WE, encourages perceptions of a 'them and us' mentality that is at odds with the other rhetoric that THEY have posted. It is this type of attitude that leads to over zealous 'policing' of the car park, for example.

Self importance doesn't solve problems. It creates problems that never existed in the first place.

shakermaker · 05-03-2007, 12:34

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Originally Posted by Oggy

Coppers were also there with the latest digital toys

This really made me laugh at the game, if only for the fact that I had to shout at the copper to take the lens cap off

it's a strange state of affairs when the police are unwilling to personally interact with the people.

loweiy · 05-03-2007, 13:12

what a waste of taxpayers cash a video camera to film people standing up the world has gone mad!!

let the people stand

Loweiy

BFC Exile · 05-03-2007, 13:17

Are we missing the point
We have automatically assumed that it is illegal to stand at a football match. I have searched high and low and can find no law that forbids fans standing. from what i can make out the sign at the front is a guideline.
I may be wrong, if someone can show me in black and white that this is a law then i will stand corrected.
I was at the match (sitting) but had no problem with the ultras standing. I had a heated discussion with a little round plump woman(a rochdale steward) who was taking her job a little too seriously.After my words with her in the halftime break she stayed at the front and didnt attempt to eject anyone after that. Probably on the advice of the police as she was the one causing the problem.

sparkie · 05-03-2007, 13:35

Each ground has its own set of ground regulations, most are pretty much identical, in fact you can ask for a copy of the ground regulations before entering the ground at any stadia in britain. Our ground rules and regs are actually posted on walls and stantions around the ground at the FES. I also believe that every club has to have these rules and regs displayed for view somewhere in the vicinity of the turnstiles.

BY LAWeach club has to have the rules and regs, which means that BY LAW you must comply to their content. Which means that anyone refusing to comply to the rules and regulations are therefore breaking the law.

Rocket science it ain't!!!

maccawozzagod · 05-03-2007, 13:38

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

Hmmmm.... funny you should assume that I was referring to you Macca.

SORRY TM, reading the posts they do seem to be having a go at me and I asked what you were on about and your next post seemed to knock my lack of correct language

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As a group of fans some of us will never agree with sitting, some of us will never understand why we should want to stand and stewards will never understand why we should want to stop them doing their jobs.

Matter forgotten from my perspective.

ossyclogger · 05-03-2007, 13:44

It's OK Sparkie, don't get wound up. Check it out in the papers, everyone who breaks the law blames someone else. It's never their fault.

Oggy · 05-03-2007, 13:45

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Originally Posted by BFC Exile

Are we missing the point
We have automatically assumed that it is illegal to stand at a football match. I have searched high and low and can find no law that forbids fans standing.

I would think it's all covered in Ground Regulations [e.g.Bolton's , http://www.bwfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page...,,1004,00.html ]

You can even be denied admission if you refuse to be searched!

I got a bit irate on my last visit to the Crown Ground, when asked by a charmless person in a visivest if I was carrying a weapon. But on checking the rules it seems he has certain rights, no common sense; but, " hey I'm just doing my job, I don't make the rules".

By paying to get in we're entering a contract, terms and conditions apply.

I'll plug this site again, worth a look at - http://www.standupsitdown.co.uk/

big al · 05-03-2007, 13:46

the ruling on seating is from the council who set the standards to be abided by as to crowd capacity, safety etc for the grounds safety certificate, without which there would be no ground or game. The regs are completely different now as we are in the league as to what we were used to in non league & far stricter. Get used to it cos for Stanley to progress this standard will be upped too & policed far more stringently than we have been used to in the past. Yes the tannoy was useless cos I did ask the chief steward to get an announcement put over before taking any action. I did not hear any although I was told it had been done.
I did explain before in my first response that what was taken for my pointing at individuals was actually my gesturing while trying to reason with their stewards & i did not point any individual out or intended to-again a case of assumption instead of talking to me to get fact instead of fiction.
I have been associated with the club for over 14 years now & love it dearly. I want the best for the Stanley & also ensure the friends I have made in this time can enjoy the games played at home & be as safe away, even though I can't always get to many away games. Those who really know me know this & those who misinterpreted my actions on Saturday should now know how wrong you were & appologise to the club-not me, my shoulders are broad enough to take flak- cos its the club you showed up!

Staveros · 05-03-2007, 13:52

Dear me, what is the world coming to??

Manchester United fans have been standing throughout matches for years now and guess what has happened?? Absolutely nothing!!!

There is f-all anyone can do if you all stick together and stand up. The council won't do anything because they don't have the balls and would be wary of the backlash. I am sure Hyndburn Borough council would like the world famous name of Accrington Stanley associated with good in order to benefit the town not ground closures etc.....be realistic, it just wouldn't happen.

As for this current incident though, those jobsworth stewards need to get a life, both theirs and ours.

Our stewards who were there, come on boys...you were either paid and working for the club or you paid admission and went as a fan, you can't have it both ways. You should have kept your heads down and let those paid to steward the game do it sensibly or as little hitlers as best they preferred.

Very very sad and small minded people must have been stewarding that game is all I can say. Nobody REALLY gives a toss but for the small minded attention seeking jobsworths themselves.

My advice to you boys for the next game is carry on standing but make sure you stay together. Strength in numbers and all that. Football belongs to the fans.

Oggy · 05-03-2007, 14:03

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Originally Posted by big al

Get used to it cos for Stanley to progress this standard will be upped too & policed far more stringently than we have been used to in the past.

TM has already pointed out the sort of language that seperates the Stewards from the fans, the above threat is a prime example.

To quote Al Murray, "What do you get if there's not enough rules - France, and too many rules - Germany."

Staveros, yes there's strength in numbers, unfortunately numbers aren't our strength, (nice to see you back, BTW).

BFC Exile · 05-03-2007, 14:10

So in the future (if we go to rochdale again) are the stewards advising people who wish to stand up to go in the terracing behind the goals?

maccawozzagod · 05-03-2007, 14:17

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So in the future (if we go to rochdale again) are the stewards advising people who wish to stand up to go in the terracing behind the goals?

Thats quite a good point really isn't it?

At our ground away fans are forced to stand, but if they have to sit down they are given a space in the stand. If we insist that we have to stand should we not have been given that smaller terrace?