Stanley steward today

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by Redraine

Please explain what you mean by "on the grounds of safety", as nobody seems to be able to justify it, other than "It's yer 'elf and safety, innit?".
Nobody has answered my question earlier in the thread!

Taken from the Football Licensing Authority website;


Following the Hillsborough Disaster, the government accepted the recommendation of Lord Justice’s Taylor’s inquiry that grounds in the top two divisions should become all-seated. The Inquiry’s conclusion that, while “there is no panacea which will achieve total safety and cure all problems of behaviour and crowd control, seating does more to achieve these objectives than any other single measure”, has been proved to be correct.
It is generally accepted that Premiership and Football League grounds are safer, more comfortable and more civilised that they were ten or twelve years ago, though the FLA recognise that not all the changes have found favour with all spectators.
The injury statistics that we have collected and published for the past few seasons strongly suggest that a spectator is less likely to be injured at an all-seated ground than at one that retains standing accommodation. This has remained true even since standing terraces were required to be upgraded to a prescribed standard, though the difference has reduced. While we have made standing much safer, it is still not as safe as sitting.
There are, moreover, a significant number of practical reasons against reintroducing standing terraces at our all-seated grounds. The conversion of all or part of a seating deck to standing accommodation would raise all sorts of complicated design and engineering issues relating to the gradient, the row depth, the viewing standards, the dynamic movement of the deck and the dynamics of the crowd. As a generality, it would require more space (hence a lower capacity) and spectators would have to be further away from the pitch to obtain an adequate view. It would also constrain the size and design of any concourses.
Moreover, standing accommodation may not be used for any international, Champions League or UEFA Cup match. During the 2006 World Cup all the stadia in Germany will be required to be all seated.
The Minister for Sport has stated publicly that the government will not abandon its all-seater policy unless compelling evidence is produced that it is no longer necessary.

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I thought the idea of a web site was to have debate and pass on information not to slag everyone off who doesn't agree with your point of view!

[maccawozzagod]

I disagree .........

[WILL]

[email protected] - Come on mate, Dark Ages

The Dark ages where when we actually played up at Barrow, and Farsley
and Frickley and Stocksbridge... You remember the days do ya?
Thought not

The point I am getting across is nothing to do with Ground rules and regulations. On Saturday the back three or four rows were all stood up.
I was in the middle of the people stood up and in the first half I never got
asked to sit down and to my knowledge neither did anyone else.

Earlier on I noticed Big Al, pointing at me or if not at me in my direction which I thought was strange (Also, Other people commented about it). Come half time I go under the stand and get pulled by two stewards and a Police officer (not just myself).. The Steward told me that I was one of the ring leaders to the Ultras and I have been stood constantly throughout the first half..

I then asked the Steward how he knew I was a ring leader and he replied "Your stewards have pointed four or five of you out"

So, If Al or this [email protected] (Jobsworth) haven't been pointing people out then who has....

Also, I promise you if 60% of the Stanley fans who were at Rochdale Saturday stood up throughout the game I ASSURE you they were not gonna throw any of us out. Power in numbers. We just have to stick together.

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I ain't any jobsworth, I didn't point anyone out, I didn't speak with any of the Rochdale stewards in the Accrington area. I new what was going to happen at half time. I spoke and advised a number of your supporters and at 30 mins into the game I sat on the back row near to the camera man.
It certainly explains your anger but don't point the finger of blame at me.

[baldy]

If one went...why didnt we all have to go? ... Afterall, rules are rules

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Like you all say and are correct 'strength in numbers'

[WILL]

OUCH, Saucer of milk table 2..

I apologise Phil for having a go, I know you went as a supporter on
Saturday and Im sorry for tarring you with the same brush !!

Right so if it's not Phil, There is only 1 person it could of been ?????

Ps. This is my last post on this thread as it's now run it's course.

I stood for 90 minutes but feel sorry for the lads who got binned at half time. Just think that alot of the time Stewards take there job far too seriously. I was at Anfield last night and there were 12,000 in the Kop and everyone stood up throughout.. The stewards know the rules but obviously couldn't do a thing about it.. POWER IN NUMBERS !!

[poppy]

Originally Posted by WILL

[email protected] - Come on mate, Dark Ages

The Dark ages where when we actually played up at Barrow, and Farsley
and Frickley and Stocksbridge... You remember the days do ya?
Thought not

The point I am getting across is nothing to do with Ground rules and regulations. On Saturday the back three or four rows were all stood up.
I was in the middle of the people stood up and in the first half I never got
asked to sit down and to my knowledge neither did anyone else.

Earlier on I noticed Big Al, pointing at me or if not at me in my direction which I thought was strange (Also, Other people commented about it). Come half time I go under the stand and get pulled by two stewards and a Police officer (not just myself).. The Steward told me that I was one of the ring leaders to the Ultras and I have been stood constantly throughout the first half..

I then asked the Steward how he knew I was a ring leader and he replied "Your stewards have pointed four or five of you out"

So, If Al or this [email protected] (Jobsworth) haven't been pointing people out then who has....

Also, I promise you if 60% of the Stanley fans who were at Rochdale Saturday stood up throughout the game I ASSURE you they were not gonna throw any of us out. Power in numbers. We just have to stick together.

Get out of that without moving your lips big al. I read with interest how philip demands an apology and so do you. Yet it was you who offered your services to the dale stewards and you who pointed stanley fans out. why didn't you just watch the game like you paid to do. job gone to your head that is why. you should be ashamed of yourself for getting so many fellow stanley fans in trouble just to boost your own ego. the dale stewards could have done the job without your help.

[Redraine]

Originally Posted by Marty71

The other risk is that if clubs continue to allow supporters to stand then they can be fined which in Stanley's case for example could have a huge impact on the playin squad if players were to be sold as a consequence, or in worst case scenario's have matches played behind closed doors again with financial repercussions.

Oh, you mean like when little Alty get hammered for fielding an " in-eligible" player when the likes of Premiership West Ham get away scot free with Tevez and Mascherano, and thousands and thousands regularly stand up with impunity at Premiership grounds!

[Redraine]

Originally Posted by lancsdave

Taken from the Football Licensing Authority website;


Following the Hillsborough Disaster, the government accepted the recommendation of Lord Justice’s Taylor’s inquiry that grounds in the top two divisions should become all-seated. The Inquiry’s conclusion that, while “there is no panacea which will achieve total safety and cure all problems of behaviour and crowd control, seating does more to achieve these objectives than any other single measure”, has been proved to be correct.
It is generally accepted that Premiership and Football League grounds are safer, more comfortable and more civilised that they were ten or twelve years ago, though the FLA recognise that not all the changes have found favour with all spectators.
The injury statistics that we have collected and published for the past few seasons strongly suggest that a spectator is less likely to be injured at an all-seated ground than at one that retains standing accommodation. This has remained true even since standing terraces were required to be upgraded to a prescribed standard, though the difference has reduced. While we have made standing much safer, it is still not as safe as sitting.
There are, moreover, a significant number of practical reasons against reintroducing standing terraces at our all-seated grounds. The conversion of all or part of a seating deck to standing accommodation would raise all sorts of complicated design and engineering issues relating to the gradient, the row depth, the viewing standards, the dynamic movement of the deck and the dynamics of the crowd. As a generality, it would require more space (hence a lower capacity) and spectators would have to be further away from the pitch to obtain an adequate view. It would also constrain the size and design of any concourses.
Moreover, standing accommodation may not be used for any international, Champions League or UEFA Cup match. During the 2006 World Cup all the stadia in Germany will be required to be all seated.
The Minister for Sport has stated publicly that the government will not abandon its all-seater policy unless compelling evidence is produced that it is no longer necessary.

Yes, I know, I know, but all this still does not address my point earlier in the thread which was - if safety is the criteria why is it safe to allow us to struggle to keep our balance when trying to get past already seated supporters before games and at half time? It's a damn sight more dangerous than that just standing during the game IMO. If stewards really were interested in safety, rather than excercising what appears to be their misguided brief, then we would have to fill up seats from the middle of the row outwards and vacate them from the outside inwards. Of course, if one geriatric like me needs the loo during the match everyone else would have to go too. And that's just as daft as the situation as it stands(!) at the moment is.

[maccawozzagod]

There's a time and place for seating. Sell-out Wembley, Old Trafford, Anfield etc yes, 700 in a 4000 seat stand no.

[Revived Red]

Originally Posted by Redraine

thousands and thousands regularly stand up with impunity at Premiership grounds!

I was listening to the Five Live phone-in as I drove back to Bristol from last night's game. Lots of Liverpool fans called in to praise the team and their own supporters - two commented on how fantastic it was to be in the crowd standing on The Kop for 90 minutes. When asked by presenter Mark Lawrenson about standing rather than sitting, one replied that everyone stands on The Kop.

By the way, I did send a text to the programme to praise Stanley - it was not read out.

[maccawozzagod]

Going a bit light hearted now but Grays last year was a prime example of how to aviod sitting:

the stewards were getting a bit lairy with their 'enforcing' and were quoting allsorts of regs and rules and if you dont sit down you're leaving. So we made a big song and dance (unlike the Ultras innit) about sitting down. As soon as everybody was seated, up went the cry 'Stand Up if you love Stanley' at which point more people stood up than initially were. Then we sat, again. Then we decided that to stand up and sing we would walk to the corner flag where there was a little concrete concourse. 'We're walking - so we can stand and sing, we're walking - so we can stand and sing!' All the stewards had to accompany us as they were set up for monitoring the stand. And, like Redraine says, the staying seated had to half crouch/stand to allow us all past. Having conga'd to the corner flag and had half of Londons finest coppers and stewards follow us, we decided standing sucked and we'd rather sit ................

After 15 or so minutes of this they agreed we were a) 'top of the league (soon to be) and havin a laff and b) posed no threat whatsoever. They saw sense and relaxed a bit. We had great banter with them (big breasted blonde in particular http://www.kipax.com/gallery.php ) and ended up having one of the best away days ever for lots of reasons, not least ending Grays bid for a Conference record unbeaten streak and subsequently breaking their hearts and minds.

Let the people stand.

[big al]

Originally Posted by poppy

Get out of that without moving your lips big al. I read with interest how philip demands an apology and so do you. Yet it was you who offered your services to the dale stewards and you who pointed stanley fans out. why didn't you just watch the game like you paid to do. job gone to your head that is why. you should be ashamed of yourself for getting so many fellow stanley fans in trouble just to boost your own ego. the dale stewards could have done the job without your help.

Try reading my initial response. As a 48 year old male I would have assumed you were mature enough to take responsibility for your own actions. Read my lips-No individual fan was pointed out by me or given advice to the Rochdale stewards re being ejected. Their ground-their rule. The dale stewards did act on thier own as you found out to your detriment since you and 26 others would not heed or accept Phils or my advice to you all that they would start ejecting if you continued to fail to comply with their stewards. As Mick Schultz put in last nights programme your actions brought shame & a reputation on the club that could cost it in extra games being policed at a cost of at least £5000 per game & could also have been taken further by the league if Rochdale had reported the expultion of you all to them. Explain wasting club money like that to Eric. As to safety more fans were crowded together than that area allowed for- one fan gets pushed, goes tumbling forward, grabs someone else & you have a cascade of fans repeating the same with resultant mass causing who knows what injuries. Its not a case of it didn't happen, health & safety is about what could happen & preventing before it does. We had to sit & watch the Bradford fire disaster from outbreak as part of our course on why stewards are required at all public events now, only three persons were at bradford & the one with keys was having a brew at the other end of the ground. I am sure some like minded fans said that could never happen but it did.
Dealing with the opposition fans is not easy at best of times but when you try & help your own fans & get it thrown back in your face because someone thought wrongly they were being grassed up,then took no heed of our warning & then put the blame on us for the consequenses sucks. Do not put words in my mouth again, had I done anything detrimental I am big enough to have stood up & appologised but I did not & as I said before I think the appologies should go to the players & directors Of Accrington Stanley for the shame you brought on the club. All stewards have undertaken voluntary training as stewards & have been and continue to be assesed in our duties as such by the club, representatives of Telford colledge the FA & Lancashire county council & have passed all inspections as to our role & told we are doing our job as trained ,well & will continue to do so. If you are offended by our actions which will be taken after fair warning for your breaking the ground regulations then simply stay away because the rules will not be changed or broken for anyone. You can continue to bicker among yourselves as much as you want but this fact will not change, just leave me out of it now as I am not prepared to have to repeat mysef anymore. You make your bed-you lie in it!