Stanley turn down Freedom of the Borough

[KarenFaz]

Mr Jones,

First of all calling your potential voters idiots is not a great way of you gaining any kind of support is it!

Secondly, lets face it coming on a messageboard declaring your 'censored' so-called views is all about getting yourself known to the locality isn't it? i.e. the press. The fans of Accrington are not stupid, they are not used to the kind of Premiership dealings that you are used to watching at Rovers and appreciate the trust they have in the team both on and off the pitch as that is more important than anything.

You are not excelling yourself in any decent way to them as fellow constituents and if you had wanted to you would have held meetings with them either at Residents Meetings at the Club or through the club itself. There is no need whatsoever to come on here trying to disrupt what is a great club with great employees, fans and players.

I shall finish with saying that I am sure the football club will be here for a very long time after you have been beaten in the polls, let alone elections!!!

Also:

(From previous post by yourself) 'I wish we were in control, all the stupidity would be brought to a swift end.'

If that comment is not after people voting for you then I don't know what it is!

You should know better! I'm sure you will get your moment in the spotlight though Mr Jones, but I don't think Stanley fans will pay much attention to it!

[baldy]

Just to clarify things Mr Jones ... Whats The Whole Point Of This Thread? What have you gained from it??

Never heard of you before now and dont want to here from you again unless you say something worth saying,
but then again i cant say what i think of you because i will censor it

[garinda]

Whatever is going on behind the scenes, though I'd rather know the full story, rather than these sensationalist, cryptic snippets,
appearing to be slagging off Accrington Stanley and the borough's voters, as well as aligning yourself with Mr Britcliffe, seems ill advised, and doesn't seem to have garnered you much support here.


Just realised what all those bloody spin doctors do! They stop politicans making too much of a cock up.


Good luck in the elections.

[maccawozzagod]

imho.................... as a fan, if there is any more to your story than what you are insinuating, I would rather read it in the press when it has got to court. I think that what you posted Mr Jones is nothing short of slander and that the clubs solictors should take you to court over what inferences you have made.

As a fan, and I mean a Stanley fan and a real one at that, I want to see my club succeed. By whatever means that entails. As an asset to the borough, and you cannot dispute that, the local borough council should not at any point attempt to disparage it.

I am glad you say you are not interested in votes because when I and other Stanley fans have finished assinating your character you will not have a political career left.

I have thought hard about whether to respond further to this thread because it is potentially damaging whether there is any substance to your 'story' or not. But I cannot let an upstart like yourself carry on with what appears to be venomous, self-opinionated crap. I will also take that further and say to all those Stanley fans who keep on harping on about the bad things that Stanley has to offer, shut the **** up. Can you not see the harm you are doing? Every bad comment loses another fan.


Yes there are problems at the club. We are working them out one at a time

Yes there are problems with Google Page Ranking. Eric will yes sir to nobody, an dI for one am glad he is there.

Yes we have a crap team team at the moment. So what? Do we support Stanley just to glory hunt? No.




Graeme Jones, for the last time sling your blue and white hook, you and your Blackburn based, spin doctoring, political, male cow manure are not wanted on a Stanley forum. ASFC will be around a hell of alot longer than you will be.



See you in the press you loser.

Quote me

[g jones]

Some comments need a response;

1) Eric Whalley went to the press and blew this all up. What did he expect as a response, silence?

2) Politics with Stanley. All I ever said was to think about options/possibilities for a new ground, nothing more, nothing else. Straight forward common sense. Eric now says the same. Stanley are a big asset and a new ground is important. Suitability, access, status, facility etc.. Stanley are a vital part of Accrington/Hyndburn. They played a part in securing (with Rovers and Burnley) a £23m employment/education grant from governement last week.

3) Rovers; My family always went to Rovers, myself from 74. To suggest that all Rovers fans and Burnley fans in the Borough are not interested in Stanley is plain daft. 3,000 fans out of 35,000 Accrington residents may attend a match. Does that mean 32,000 are not Stanley fans and/or wish the club ill? A lot more than the 3,000 who go care about Stanley I am sure including many Rovers (David Dunn) and Burnley fans.

4) Peel Ward/The Council. Came back from the pub last night, people who SEE and KNOW me are very happy. I work hard for this area and tell the truth. They appreciate that. They don't want a nodding dog as a ward councillor, that's the main comment I get told all the time, "keep going Graham, a few of them up there in their office's need challanging". ... Accrington Stanley is synonmous with this ward/area and it is where the history of Stanley is. We are working towards making the old ground more informational due to the numbers of visitors who pass by to see it. If you are as enthusiastic as you say you are, please contact myself or Sue at the Peel Park pub. I'll be counting the dedicated Stanley fans who volunteer.

5) If you say things that have no thought, basis or fact, and you do it continually then that's idiotic. If you want someone to tell you everything you want to hear, simply vote for the other guy, I am not a politician and have always said that. This is about a better Hyndburn, less spin and dishonesty, more tolerance and effort.

6) My opinion and we do have freedom of speech. Someone mentioned censorship (what sort of country are we living in?). Eric is wrong on this one (and I back Peter Bricliffe), furthermore, going to the press and turning down the FoB over this seperate legal issues is childish. I have no idea where the promotion bit comes in on this particular argument other than a character reference for Eric.

7) The adminstrator moved this thread to the Stanley Forum.

[Outback Ozzy]

Originally Posted by g jones

3) Rovers; My family always went to Rovers, myself from 74. To suggest that all Rovers fans and Burnley fans in the Borough are not interested in Stanley is plain daft. 3,000 fans out of 35,000 Accrington residents may attend a match. Does that mean 32,000 are not Stanley fans and/or wish the club ill? A lot more than the 3,000 who go care about Stanley I am sure including many Rovers (David Dunn) and Burnley fans.
.

I have read all this forum now, and like any other politician, you come across as someone who tells porkies for their own ends.
If you were born in Accrington, you would support everything about the town, hell I have taken stick over the years when I was abroad between '69 and '86 but I wanted the best for the club. If you and your father/grandfather have been season ticket holders for years, then it is the likes of your family that killed the old Stanley.
Secondly, in another thread you state you are not a politician just a person standing up for the people of Accrington! Well in my book, the fact you stand for any party regardless of the colour of your flag/symbol means you are a politician and muck spreading is your game. For gods sake stop coming on our thread and slagging of the true supporters of Accrington Stanley and the Chairman and board and players and management and stick to your normal game. This board is for true reds (like the colour of the County Rose) not imitation/wannabe MP's or councillors. As others have said, when the Borough Council get behind Accrington Stanley then you can have your say. BTW what did you do for the other borough football team R.I.P. Great Harwood Town 'nuff said

[garinda]

Originally Posted by g jones

I am not bothered about votes.

As not only a ward councillor, but as leader of the Labour group on Hyndburn Borough Council, I'd have thought any sensible person would have been interested in any potential voters. The only politicans who aren't bothered about votes are dictators.

I've reread this thread and am at a loss at what you hoped was to be gained by starting this it.

You say you aren't afraid of sitting on the fence, but a lot what you have posted is so cryptic that I fear you should go to A & E to have a fence post removed. Either post the full story or don't, all this innuendo is just causing damage, both to the club and your own chanced of ever being leader of the council.

[Bazf]

Peel Ward/The Council. Came back from the pub last night, people who SEE and KNOW me are very happy. I work hard for this area and tell the truth. They appreciate that. They don't want a nodding dog as a ward councillor, that's the main comment I get told all the time, "keep going Graham, a few of them up there in their office's need challanging". ... Accrington Stanley is synonmous with this ward/area and it is where the history of Stanley is. We are working towards making the old ground more informational due to the numbers of visitors who pass by to see it. If you are as enthusiastic as you say you are, please contact myself or Sue at the Peel Park pub. I'll be counting the dedicated Stanley fans who volunteer.

So if we don't contact you we are not enthusiastic? nice touch, makes you look like you really care what happens. You mention they don't want a nodding dog, why then are you not an independent? you do as your told by your party as does the other moron Bircliffe. As has been said beore why start this thread if it wasn't to get back at Eric, what have you gained? My ward are behind me, why not canvas the whole ward and not just people who know you. Do you know how many vistors pass by to see it or are you talking about the Peel Park pub? bit different that.
Like was said earlier stick to politics and leave Stanley alone, you and Bircliffe are using Stanley for your own ends to garner votes, if you haven't worked out yet that picking on Stanley will do the opposite for both of you.

[g jones]

Look. I accept the criticism. End of story. I have read all the comments and see where people are coming from.

I know you are being unfair in some of the comments, that's life and I can see people also being very proud of Stanley. It's a good thing there is some pride in Accy.

The dust will eventually settle.

[maccawozzagod]

I believe the street term is .... do one

[KIPAX]

Originally Posted by g jones

I know you are being unfair in some of the comments, .

The dust will eventually settle.

you attack the club.. then attack eric whalley and now your back peddling when you find you have half of accy hating you...... i thought your posts where bad but then to not have the guts to stand by them is even worse

[pipinfort]

i`ve been following this post with great interest.....now i`m really bored so be off with you mr.jones, you`ve annoyed and offended us all so lets give it a rest now.

[g jones]

Originally Posted by KIPAX

you attack the club.. then attack eric whalley and now your back peddling when you find you have half of accy hating you...... i thought your posts where bad but then to not have the guts to stand by them is even worse

There is no back peddling. Peter Britcliffe is right. Eric's attack on him was disgraceful. It was plain you have your view, a different one, I respect that. Peter is keeping out of it to avoid criticism, I am NOT. Eric started playing politics in the press. I am not accepting the crap that was written.

I have a responsibility to make sure the Council's/the publics assets are looked after. I am doing my job and also standing by people who are under pressure from Eric. To be totally honest, you don't know what's going on.

If we are in control in May I would like to see the Supporters Club brought on board to 'oversee' what is happening. It could be exciting times for the club, but the current situation is unacceptable and has knocked back progress.

[KIPAX]

I dont have any view on whats going on.. All I know is that your in here causing trouble and slagging off the accrington stanley chairman who has done so much for the club and this town.. not the celeverest thing you have done..

[g jones]

Originally Posted by KarenFaz

You are not excelling yourself in any decent way to them as fellow constituents and if you had wanted to you would have held meetings with them either at Residents Meetings at the Club or through the club itself.

Residents meetings with the club take place already.