Supporters Club Meeting - Page 4

Diesel · 14-08-2006, 22:04

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Originally Posted by Bagpuss

I never said the Ultras where competing my point was that as an Ultra nobody feels if they have a point to make it will not be heard.

I'm a member of the OSC, only joined for the badge and to put some money back into the club, I knew I should have gone tonight if only to let people know what was talked about.

Please accept my apologies then, I have just misinterpretated your prior post

shakermaker · 14-08-2006, 22:06

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Originally Posted by ossyclogger

I am not being antagonistic. I constantly invite you to come along. I would still vote you in as chairman, but you won't come , you just continue to slag us off.

NO ONE IS SLAGGING THE OSC OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ossyclogger · 14-08-2006, 22:07

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

serious question, serious answer please Ossyclogger.

What was the total number of members last year please (approx)?

How many so far this year?

At the momentI think there are about 270 members. Of these 12 -15 attend meetings. WHY AM I FRUSTRATED ?

maccawozzagod · 14-08-2006, 22:10

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Originally Posted by ossyclogger

I am not being antagonistic. I constantly invite you to come along. I would still vote you in as chairman, but you won't come , you just continue to slag us off.

If offering help, ideas, and bodies is slagging off then call me a slag.

The people who dont go, but want to have an input, majoritively dont go through either time/distance or dis-interest in the format of a club. The format can't change, it has to have a committee and has to be accountable. If our input is not valued from afar then we are being disrespected in my opinion.

Willie Miller has already underlined the efforts made by the Ultras this summer and hasn't even mentioned the purely ridiculous amounts of airtime or newsprint we have gained for the club on every North West based radio station and newspaper.

Imagine what we could do if we had access to funding

ossyclogger · 14-08-2006, 22:19

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

If offering help, ideas, and bodies is slagging off then call me a slag.

The people who dont go, but want to have an input, majoritively dont go through either time/distance or dis-interest in the format of a club. The format can't change, it has to have a committee and has to be accountable. If our input is not valued from afar then we are being disrespected in my opinion.

Willie Miller has already underlined the efforts made by the Ultras this summer and hasn't even mentioned the purely ridiculous amounts of airtime or newsprint we have gained for the club on every North West based radio station and newspaper.

Imagine what we could do if we had access to funding

Sorry mate, but you can't have it both ways.

cmonstanley · 14-08-2006, 22:20

why dont the osc have an open invitation night invite everybody non members included and be open to suggestions ...how we could improve fundraising improve attendances etc work together we are all fighting for the same cause

cmonstanley · 14-08-2006, 22:23

and give about 2 months notice so everybody can arrange to be there

John_Timmins · 14-08-2006, 22:25

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

why dont the osc have an open invitation night invite everybody non members included and be open to suggestions ...how we could improve fundraising improve attendances etc work together we are all fighting for the same cause

great idea, imo opinion both the osc and ultras have so much to offer just needs some co-operation and this could be the thing to start that off

Not in the name of stanley ultras or OSC just a open fans meeting for all accrington stanley fans to attend and then ideas can be put forward

with an action plan published for all to see who cant attend, both on here, oth websites and fanzine

AccyMad · 15-08-2006, 09:20

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

why dont the osc have an open invitation night invite everybody non members included and be open to suggestions ...how we could improve fundraising improve attendances etc work together we are all fighting for the same cause

Good idea, the osc simply has to change the way it goes about things or it's just going to become obsolete which would be a shame. I attended practically every meeting for over three years but stopped going around about Christmas time last year for a number of reasons, one being that I felt I was wasting my time sitting through meetings only to be ignored unless there was food to be provided for an event. Don't get me wrong, I didn't mind making the butties or whatever except when it became the only thing I seemed to be there for.

Bottletop · 15-08-2006, 09:51

So what happened at the meeting then? Anyone?

AccyMad · 15-08-2006, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Bottletop

So what happened at the meeting then? Anyone?

We probably won't get to know and to be honest I've got past caring - but one thing i'm sure of, there wasn't anyone there to make the butties

Chimer · 15-08-2006, 17:00

I only came on to read a bit of banter about the roo, and ran into this lot ….

As a self-confessed bandwagon-jumper I thought I probably ought to join the OSC this season. So I’m trying hard to make sense of all this stuff but can’t see past various entrenched positions. It should all be so simple ….

People join a club and pay a membership fee in order to get something out of it. A football supporters club offers its members as a minimum a sense of belonging. It might also offer tangible benefits, like arranging coaches to away matches. These might be “members only” trips, or they might take non-members too, but at a higher price. Or it might help the club it supports in practical ways, like by painting the terraces in the close season. On the other hand, it might want to do nothing more than meet occasionally for a beer ... fair enough, if that's all the members want.

A club whose members pay a membership fee has no responsibility to tell non-members anything about its activities. You would expect it to, though, if it wanted membership to grow. But it seems entirely reasonable to me that minutes of meetings, details of election of officers, membership lists, info about its finances etc, would be “members only” and therefore might be password protected on a open website which could otherwise be accessed by anyone.

Judging from its website, and Ossyclogger’s contributions to this and earlier threads, the OSC does seem to want to grow and encourages people to join. The line “if you want to change things, you’ve got to join and get involved” is obviously right for a members’ club. The thing that seems wrong to me (from reading the threads) is the business about members not being told what goes on at meetings if they don’t attend. Living 300 miles away, I am not going to drive up to Accy for an hour and a half’s meeting on a Tuesday evening, even though the beer’s better. But as a paying member I would expect to be able to find out what was discussed and decided.

The Ultras, as far as I can tell, do all the things a club do except formalise membership and charge a membership fee. Because they don’t do that, no-one has any particular rights or responsibilities other than those they impose upon themselves, which obviously suits their situation.

I suspect there is much more crossover between the OSC and the Ultras than appears on the board. I like the “Maccawazzagod for OSC Chairman” and “Ossyclogger is an Ultra” signatures and think if both come true we might perhaps all go along happily together (and membership of the OSC would increase).

C’mon guys and gals, give peace a chance !

maccawozzagod · 15-08-2006, 18:09

There's a lot of sense in that post Chimer.

Ossycloger, declare yourself an Ultra in your signature and I'll be at that meeting with my eight pound begrudgingly leaving my sweaty palm

Bagpuss · 15-08-2006, 18:21

So Ossyclogger does your signature show what you feel about the Ultras or the OSC members who do not attend the meetings.

"Hear now this, foolish people, and without understanding; who have eyes, and don't see; who have ears, and don't hear"

Ber999T · 15-08-2006, 18:27

Right folks lets see if a NETRUAL can say someting and maybe that may help.

1st OSC yes ALL clubs need one but not to pass on information to members who can't attend meetings is NOT going to help. As Chimer stated 600 miles (round trip) is a long journey and if the OSC don't want to post the minutes on the web then surley someone could email them or even snail mail!!!!

2nd The Ultras have done far more in getting the name of ASFC into the news etc and getting people talking.

I have noticed that there has been offers of "cross membership". Yes that can help but reading into the main part of this thread if what has been talked about in the meeting is made public then I could see a public linching being called for AND for what!!!! Letting people that want the club and team to do well and passing on info so that they may well be able to help!!!! Beggers belief.

So hows about this:- Keep somethings quiet ie finianices, committee members (WHY????) and allow voices to be heard from the fans, both OSC members and NON-members (they sometimes see things from a different angle) through the REPS, is that not they're supposed to do!!!! LISTEN to ALL fans??????

If the OSC then acts on something and gets it sorted then maybe more members may join but why the H*LL cant both groups be putting their heads together as I started off saying "Cross membership" are not both groups trying to do something for ASFC