Surely Coleman must go

[Stanleymad]

Originally Posted by Haz66

I think most fans only expected mid table, but its not that we aren`t fighting for a play off place thats upsetting people its they way in which the lads are conducting themselves on the pitch and the team selections and tactics that are.
We all love Stanley and thats the problem, we want them to show the same passion as we do, and when week in week out they dont, we feel let down.

True point indeed Haz, i've decided im not going to saturdays match & have a break, i simply cannot put myself thro all that agony bad enough listening to it nevermind watching it as i have done, been to every home game & just got to the point that its not worth it & im no sadist hehehehe

Wonder if money talks & the clubs listens, cos the chants & crowd peed offness hasn't heeded warnings!!

[Revived Red]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

But if we get rid of him, will his replacement be able to do much better in keeping a club in the football league which only attracts an average gate of 1,600 (a full 300 below the average of the next worst supported club)? How will he go on juggling a miniscule playing budget?...or trying to tempt talented players here with a £25k wage when other division 2 clubs are offering £50k+? Will he not end up struggling just as Coley has done?

.......Because what this club needs is a totally fresh approach to attracting the local public - new ideas, innovative concepts and fresh initiatives to take us out of the rut we are currently in.

There can be new ideas, innovative concepts, fresh initiatives etc, but ultimately people go to watch a football game to .... watch football. We HOPE our team will win. We know that they might lose because they were outclassed, or they were unlucky, or they suffered some poor refereeing decisions. But, no matter what the outcome, we want to see our team create chances, be inventive, see movement off the ball, and even do basic things reasonably well. (Has anyone noticed the lack of movement by Stanley players at throw-ins, never mind the lack of guile at corners and free kicks?) These do not require a huge budget or talented players earning a huge wage. As others have said in other threads, what happens on the training ground? We do not see any evidence of it on Saturday afternoons (or Wednesday evenings). Maybe another manager could not tempt talented players here - but what about promising players? Let's compare Jay Harris with Branch, Rogers, Grant, Miles. We have Billy Dennehy on loan - are we going to see him given a reasonable chance?

We are sometimes guilty of being too introspective. Let's look around. I know there is a lot of banter and (usually) friendly rivalry but we really ought to consider why, for example, Hereford and Morecambe are currently enjoying more success than we are. Let's hope that, as some have said, this dip in form is only temporary - but the worrying signs have been there for some time.

[Haz66]

Originally Posted by Revived Red

but ultimately people go to watch a football game to .... watch football. We HOPE our team will win. We know that they might lose because they were outclassed, or they were unlucky, or they suffered some poor refereeing decisions. But, no matter what the outcome, we want to see our team create chances, be inventive, see movement off the ball, and even do basic things reasonably well.

Exactly.

I dont mind if we lose if the lads have given 100% and played as well as they can, as i`m sure most people dont, its when they turn up and dont seem to play with any passion or idea of what they should be doing that gets people`s backs up.
In the final conference season there was passion and good football to watch, some games we only won through pure determination and grit and guile, Burton springs to mind as it was quite a well balanced game with plenty of effort from both sides and Burton actually at times played some very good football and i thought they probably just edged it, but because the lads never gave up believing they could win, we scored near the death, and took maybe 2 points from the game more than we deserved, but that happened on more than one occassion because the lads gave it their all, its not that we are playing better opposition that we are losing games its because there seems to be no belief from the very outset of a match that they will win, it wouldn`t be so bad if it was just the odd player but it seems to have spread across the entire team, why ?, whats gone wrong with their moral and belief, it`s got to be something thats happening off the pitch, because the fans are still giving it their all and getting behind the lads, but if this lack lustre attitude continues from the players how long will it be before that changes ?, not long, i`m sad to say.

[DAV007]

all out attack 4-4-2 with players who want to give their all and prove themselves.

nothing better to watch win lose or draw.

[Tommy McQueen]

I went to M.K. Dons yesterday, along with 69 others, at least half who were Southern based. So about 32 fans travelled from Accy, it was absolutely diabolical to watch. No wonder there were no Ultra's present no flags no singing, the only cheer was an ironic one when we won our first corner deep into the second half. It became a bit of a laughing stock when someone shouted, don't let them score a sixth, or there will be no way back.Coley sat in the dugout most of the game letting J Bell run about in the Tecnical area. The team he put out was absolutely rubbish there is no other word for it. To cap it all he substituted Roberts after 20 mins. What message does that send out to the players? We are two down, to take off a defender and put a midfielder on. We had no stikers on he was playing Craney up front, I know Mullin and Rosco were injured, but where was McGivern he was warming up before the game? It was as though Coley was scatching at straws and just throwing anyone on especially when Whalley and Miles appeared. Maybe he is tactically niave, and it is time for a change. I agree he has done wonders whilst he has been in charge, but time is running out. Maybe that goes for the Chairman as well. We will see.

[Nickelson]

Exactly Eric needs to keep to his word and retire he should have 2 years ago. He is too stingy to bankroll use any further.He has done wonder thought.

Theres only one Eric Whalley !

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by Nickelson

Exactly Eric needs to keep to his word and retire

And to think me and Jeff where slagged off last year for even suggesting such a thing.

[The Green Lantern]

Shudder to think what the crowd will be on Saturday......

I dont go anymore, cant afford it....When I used to go it was costing me around £30 for me and the lad to go. When you see the same tactics and committment every week, its just so so frustrating. I wouldnt mind if they played there heart out but that happens rarely. nothing ever changes.. Do you think the players realise how lucky they are to be playing professional football? I bet 90% of the people on this forum, including me, would love to play football instead of doing a "normal" job.

[Bagpuss]

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

(Don't even get me started on the running of the club. I heard stories on Wednesday that made my hair curl!!! )

Please tell us more

[Doug]

Originally Posted by ozmainia

after so many home defeats and todays pafetic perfomance at mk dons its time for the chop, theres no doubt hes lost it with the players and the gates will no only get lower .its must be time for eric to bring out the axe

No.....................

Time to kick arses yes........

[cmonstanley]

maybe weve hit he low and the only way is upits the law of averages we are bound to beat chesterfield

nothing to lose just give a hundred percent thats all we are asking for:Banane 47::Banane 47::Banane 47:

[baldy]

I dont understand people that arnt going on saturday just to prove we arnt good ... they players knew they wernt good enough when they never got clapped off against rochdale ... get behind the team, management, directors, chairman, barstaff etc etc

Im Stanley through the good AND! bad.

See ya saturday

[maccawozzagod]

come on Reds - now is not the time to abandon ship

[Wynonie Harris]

Originally Posted by Revived Red

but we really ought to consider why, for example, Hereford and Morecambe are currently enjoying more success than we are.

Could it be because they enjoy better support than us, and have done since the start of the season? Morecambe's average gate is 3,200, Hereford's is 3,000 - both approximately double ours. Bigger crowds mean more revenue mean better players. I know Coley could be making better use of the resources he does have, but in the end he will struggle. You cannot run a successful football league club on 1,600 gates - never has been done and never will be. And don't forget, his playing budget is in danger of being cut even further in the future. We have to build a 1,000 seater stand by the end of next season or we will lose our league membership. The other thing everyone's forgotten about is the need to build a permanent police control room by next summer. The council only granted a year's extension of planning permission on the present temporary structure before the season started with great reluctance. Do you see any signs of those projects being undertaken?

The only way Stanley will progress now is if Eric sells to an interested party who can make large-scale investments and redevelop the club to make it a more attractive proposition to the local public. If that doesn't happen, we are fated to perpetually struggle along, hoping for something to turn up.

[carpon]

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris

The only way Stanley will progress now is if Eric sells to an interested party who can make large-scale investments and redevelop the club to make it a more attractive proposition to the local public. If that doesn't happen, we are fated to perpetually struggle along, hoping for something to turn up.

Absolutely spot on. He said he'd retire after he'd got Stanley back in the league. No one can question what Eric Whalley has done for this club,lifting us from the obscurity of the Unibond and propel us to where we are now.

But real problems need addressing and quickly. A "rot" seems to have taken hold and this is threatening to undo all of the brilliant work which has been done so far.Recent performances have had a knock on effect on the home attendances. Maybe one of the older supporters who witnessed the demise of '62 would back up what I'm about to say.....

IF the current situation is not addressed and the apathy shown by the local public is not sorted,there is a REAL danger of history repeating itself.Forget about "lightening striking twice in the same place" and all that,for all the best intentions in the world it's simple maths. We cannot expect to continue to survive on the gates we are currently getting. Does anyone on here remember what happened to Maidstone who got into the league (90's I think)and then had to fold due to similiar problems??

I'm not saying it's all doom and gloom, it's just that recent events have brought the underlying problem to the fore.There is serious potential for this club to improve on what has already been achieved. To do this we have to be forward thinking and have the right personell on board to help this goal be achieved. But IF the present situation is not addressed and seriously, it's along the lines of the Ostritch approach and burying our heads in the sand, hoping all this goes away.

This is just MY humble opinion, but as has been suggested earlier on this thread to say "I'm not going to the next home game because of recent events and / or the current situation" is not helping address the situation we currently face. It's just "fueling the flames" so to speak. A true supporter follows His/Her team through thick and thin. We've had the thick,the success,the promotions etc and now we're experiencing the thin.It's not the time to take the Ostritch approach and hope that the problem is sorted without our intervention/support.

As our esteemed manager ( who is under fire at the moment)often quotes:

KEEP THE FAITH