Surely Coleman must go - Page 4

longballking · 10-12-2007, 22:42

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Originally Posted by cmonstanley

i think we are all missing the point .we wouldnt be half peed off if the players were putting some more effort into home games i wouldnt mind losing some games as long as the players were putting the effort in.too many times they just seem to be going through the motions and daydreaming .what we need is the players to focus and give a hundred percent.too many times the players are out of position.its time to get back to basics.let the defenders defend the midfielders set up goals and the strikers to push and penetrate up front

.how many times does somebody get the ball and he can only pass side-ways or back because there is nobody in the penalty box.if we were going to hump the ball up make sure it is in the penalty box not stuck in midfield and lose possession..stanley can play good on their day so its time for the players to wake up.wakey wakey cmon all we want is 100% effort and more direct to create more chances.....ps and no short corners they are rubbish they are not constuctive enough a pure waste of time and effort

..so cmon stanley get in the box back to basics...

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cmon stanley get intae them

I couldn't agree more with everything you've said there. And yes regarding tactics, an average team can do very well playing simple football and we're better then average. No wingbacks just pure and simple wingers. The defence should be looking to hit the channels at every chance (not this straight down the middle stuff we're playing now, it's far to easy to defend), then the winger is on to it and puts the ball in the mixer, obviously if the defender gets there 1st then pressure him and force a throw in, which is thrown into the box. It's not rocket science and percentage football works at this level. We would need to practise set pieces for this to work though as it's blinding obvious we don't do much of that in training (defending or an atackingwise).

BedsRed · 11-12-2007, 10:17

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Originally Posted by Revived Red

We do not expect a "top manager", whatever one of those may be.

Then, to be blunt, what's the point?

I can't see what is achieved by jettisoning what we have on the off-chance that the next guy will be better (and, by way of example from the club's recent past, I give you Ken Wright, Tony Greenwood and Leighton James

).

If we can't get someone who is better than what we have (and, to be honest, there isn't really anyone of a high calibre available at the moment unless we look at people who've managed far higher up, who will probably be setting their sites higher than a poorly-attended league 2 club), then I for one would resist rocking the boat at this stage.

Perhaps I'm blinkered as I wasn't at Saturday's game, but did anyone realistically expect anything other than defeat? Granted, the manner of the defeat may have been unacceptable, but fifteenth place with two thirds of the season or so left is by no means a disaster.

JEFF - I don't know what our playing budget is any more than you do, however, as far as I am aware, we have yet to pay a fee for a player (with the exception of Roberts) since promotion, and given that gates are low and the board (rightly in my opinion) do not wish to saddle the club with debt, I would assume it is reasonable to assume that the budget is amongst the lowest in the league.

I realise that as an exile and one who rarely attends, many of you may feel my views are less valid than those who have had to sit through the last few non-performances, but I really cannot see the point in pressing the panic button now. In all honesty, if we were going to pay a club employee off at this stage, I suspect Oggy could suggest a more urgent candidate?

Gayle · 11-12-2007, 10:20

Changing your manager can have benefits sometimes - look at the way Burnley are performing now - but on the other hand can be a bigger disaster - look at where Preston are now.

Sometimes sacking the manager is the 'easy' solution but it doesn't always fix the problems.

lancsdave · 11-12-2007, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Gayle

Changing your manager can have benefits sometimes - look at the way Burnley are performing now - but on the other hand can be a bigger disaster - look at where Preston are now.

Sometimes sacking the manager is the 'easy' solution but it doesn't always fix the problems.

Don't you know anything about football Gayle, it's very clear there is nothing wrong with where Preston are now

JEFF · 11-12-2007, 10:51

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Originally Posted by BedsRed

Perhaps I'm blinkered as I wasn't at Saturday's game, but did anyone realistically expect anything other than defeat? Granted, the manner of the defeat may have been unacceptable, but fifteenth place with two thirds of the season or so left is by no means a disaster.

I was at Saturday's game and I didn't expect anything, not after the Rochdale game, but Coley did. In the Telegraph he said that we would see a different Stanley team on Saturday (by way of performance) and if we didn't there would be big changes. Well we did see a different Stanley team on Saturday and, as I have said before, it was that bad it was funny. At half time when the fourth official announced three minutes stoppage time there was a cry of 'Oh no! Please blow the whistle now'. The players made that many mistakes it was laughable. It was like watching a load of school kids all running around and getting nowhere, no organisation, nothing. Fifteenth place with two thirds of the season or so left is a disaster, we are on a downward spiral, falling fast. On Saturday we have Chesterfield at home, they have the best away record in the league - won six, drawn two, and only lost one, is anybody confident of getting a result? I don't think so.

BedsRed · 11-12-2007, 11:56

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Originally Posted by JEFF

we are on a downward spiral, falling fast. On Saturday we have Chesterfield at home, they have the best away record in the league - won six, drawn two, and only lost one, is anybody confident of getting a result? I don't think so.

Which sort of suggests that a change wouldn't do any good at this stage, doesn't it? I think there's a world of difference between being on a downward spiral or losing to bigger and better teams. There are winnable games (home and away) coming up, and players hopefully returning to fitness soon. Perhaps it would be fairer to judge the manager and players then...

I'm only slightly surprised no-one has suggested Terry bleeding Butcher to take over yet...

JEFF · 11-12-2007, 12:05

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Originally Posted by BedsRed

There are winnable games (home and away) coming up

We have had winnable games, Bury away, Wrexham home, Notts County home, Rochdale home and what has happened ? We lost the lot. What makes you think that we are suddenly going to start winning these 'winnable' games ?

lancsdave · 11-12-2007, 12:07

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Originally Posted by JEFF

On Saturday we have Chesterfield at home, they have the best away record in the league - won six, drawn two, and only lost one, is anybody confident of getting a result? I don't think so.

Sods law of football means these are the games where nobody turns up and you win 5-0

Stanleymad · 11-12-2007, 12:13

Think the main problem is that it rattled too many fans up the wrong way has coleys decisions that it is sitting bad with even the very die hards & thats alarming as i found from a few last night & yes the club should be very concerned about that indeed!!

Jesus_was_A_red_ · 11-12-2007, 13:30

There must be some reserve/youth team players bursting to get a chance surely. These hopefuls surely would not let us down in the effort department.

shakermaker · 11-12-2007, 13:30

A change in manager wouldn't change a thing for this club. Tactics have been shoddy of late and there is no doubt that this must change. The point is however that Coleman can change it, given freedom to work. We all know that. Anyone saying otherwise is just saying it for effect.
What can't be changed with the current people in place however, is the club's financial state. New life and some money at the top would give the manager's team the ability to actually work instead of constantly having to cut corners when signing players; thus ending up with over the hill players that no one else wants like Alan Rogers, Graham Branch, John Miles etc.
Coley can do it, given the freedom to work.

Tin Monkey · 11-12-2007, 14:04

I think everyone is aware of the constraints Coleman is working under, but you don't need money to work on basics at the training ground. Having 4 corner routines, or 3 different freekick routines costs nothing except time and innovation. When was the last time that you were really excited that we'd won a corner?

shakermaker · 11-12-2007, 14:19

It's true, Coleman's tactics have yet to develop to a standard where we can use what we have to the full in League 2. You would have to be blind to think otherwise. However I do not believe that Coleman is, as others have remarked, stuck in his ways. I think he is more than capable of doing the job properly given adequate backing from the top (adequate as in parallel with the standard we are supposed to be playing at).
With the remark about training, constantly moving training grounds for daft reasons doesn't help, though it isn't an excuse for lax methods of play.
Given a fair chance, ie at least to the end of next season, Coleman can gain the experience required to do us proud - but only if his employers allow him to.

One of my main worries will Stanley become just another League team with a rotation of 3 managers per year, never really achieving anything, merely surviving, until there is no more worse teams below you and the Conference comes a-knockin'.
Stability is essential, however I realise that stability can become stale and new things must be done. I don't believe for one second that changing our management will bring about the tactical haven that everyone dreams of.