Surely Coleman must go

ozmainia · 08-12-2007, 17:05

after so many home defeats and todays pafetic perfomance at mk dons its time for the chop, theres no doubt hes lost it with the players and the gates will no only get lower .its must be time for eric to bring out the axe

Haggis316 · 08-12-2007, 17:25

No its not.

Darwenred1968 · 08-12-2007, 17:52

Time to go? It surely is! Some very tough games coming up and coleman as lost the plot and please don't keep saying who will be interested in a club with small wages and no transfer money!! All managers have to start somewhere alot of ex footballers who have made their money and want to try their hand at management would jump at the chance to manage at this level! This is not a league were you can play your mates week in week out no matter how crap they are. Colemans fire as gone out it's time for CHANGE.

ozmainia · 08-12-2007, 18:27

sure is look how well burnley are now playing since a change of management

Kiwi John · 08-12-2007, 18:33

Have to admit that I'm starting to have second thoughts on Mr Coleman.Things are becoming far to regular with the general thrust of the descriptions I read on Stanleys performances.

Stanleymad · 08-12-2007, 18:42

Well i for one aint happy about Colemans management atm, Rocky williams had a very poor match wednesday night & previous matches to that, Coleman slated him in this weeks observer saying he's to earn his place after disappointed performances blah blah as quote

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Coleman is not usually one to single out his players but could not hide his frustration.

“We are too brittle at the back. Robbie Williams had a tremendous season last year but this season, he has been so far off his best it is untrue,” he said.
Accrington Stanley 1 Rochdale 2 - Accrington Stanley FC - Football - Sport - Accrington Observer

.....................what happens.....

Today he's playing from start, add insult to injury is captain & surprise surprise got a booking as well - all very predictable indeed - Coley did what i expected him to do not what he'd said he's do!!!!!

Is that ingredients for a good manager or is it lost the plot - i think the latter !! & have i proven the point yet

Haz66 · 08-12-2007, 20:12

Dont quote me on this but i cant see him being there much longer if the current trend continues, as the fans will eventually turn from for to against, it doesn`t matter what he has done in the past, the fans will not continue to pay good money to watch the current sh**e, the tide is already turning, it wasn`t long ago when he had roughly 90% of the regulars on here for him but they are now slowly but surely starting to go the other way, and once the die hard fans start to call for the manager to go it will only be a matter of time before he does, because once you have lost the faithful then you have lost full stop.
I, like many others think they have done a fantastic job for Stanley but with the current selections and tactics i to now have my doubts as to wether they are up to it anymore, another home defeat with a sh**e preformance and no commitment or effort will only confirm that they have lost it, because if the players were taking any notice of what they were being told then they would be responding to it on the pitch, if they are not that can only mean they are no longer listening to the management which is not good for the club or the fans, so something will have to change.

DAV007 · 08-12-2007, 22:54

There is no way stanley will find a manager with the same local knowledge, contacts and ability.

despite all the rubbish and dissapointment, its still far to early into the season.

I like a fair few thought the play offs was on the card this season. But in all honesty I accepted mid table as a good accomplishment for a club Accys size in their 2nd season back in the league; especially after William Hill had us down as 5/2 favourties for the drop.

If we are fighting relegation again with 3 games to go - then ask the question. But the performances at Wycombe and Bradford give me enough confidence to back Coleman and Bell.

Their is alot of talent in the conference and conference north desperate for a shot at the football league. Lets hope he gambles and brings in a few of the younger ones.

Old journeymen who are half interested like Carden, Miles and Branch should be the first to go.

lancsdave · 08-12-2007, 22:58

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Originally Posted by DAV007

There is no way stanley will find a manager with the same local knowledge, contacts and ability.

I've seen this a few times now and wondered about the relevance of local knowledge. Should he not be thinking outside the local area. I would have thought the local thing is restrictive ?

DAV007 · 08-12-2007, 23:04

If you play poor wages, have a limited appeal to football league players (eg, stanley arent exaclty building a new stadium or have a grand vision which people can buy into) and are located up in east lancashire - you are generally limited to players from the region.

Dont get me wrong, some players will relocate. But its more likely to be non league players who want to use Accy as a stepping stone or to get their chance in the football league who would bother (aka roscoe, authur, webb).

Its essential we pick up lads who want to prove themselves rather than over paid journeymen who are just as happy to be playing for a mansfield, notts county, brentford, mortgage company.

Urban Spaceman · 08-12-2007, 23:53

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Originally Posted by DAV007

There is no way stanley will find a manager with the same local knowledge, contacts and ability.

despite all the rubbish and dissapointment, its still far to early into the season.

I like a fair few thought the play offs was on the card this season. But in all honesty I accepted mid table as a good accomplishment for a club Accys size in their 2nd season back in the league; especially after William Hill had us down as 5/2 favourties for the drop.

If we are fighting relegation again with 3 games to go - then ask the question. But the performances at Wycombe and Bradford give me enough confidence to back Coleman and Bell.

Their is alot of talent in the conference and conference north desperate for a shot at the football league. Lets hope he gambles and brings in a few of the younger ones.

Old journeymen who are half interested like Carden, Miles and Branch should be the first to go.

I was at the game at MK Dons today and we were truly appalling - the worst Stanley performance I have ever seen. MK Dons ran rings round us and I think it was 75 minutes before we even had a shot on goal.

At the start of the season, with the win against Wycombe, I thought things were looking up. Now I am not at all sure - and Wycombe lost 6-0 at Stockport today, whilst Bradford City have been woeful this season overall. I really wonder if those performances were really as good as they seemed at the time, or were we simply searching for that silver lining in the cloud ?

Haz66 · 09-12-2007, 01:19

I think most fans only expected mid table, but its not that we aren`t fighting for a play off place thats upsetting people its they way in which the lads are conducting themselves on the pitch and the team selections and tactics that are.
We all love Stanley and thats the problem, we want them to show the same passion as we do, and when week in week out they dont, we feel let down.

Tin Monkey · 09-12-2007, 07:12

Play-offs??? Let's be realistic. Anything above the relegation places will always be a bonus for Accrington.

I've seen relegation in the past and I've seen season after season of mid-table mediocrity, so losing is nothing I can't handle. The thing that gets to me is not the inadequacy of the players (you work with what you can afford), but it's the lack of willingness to change and to adapt.
It's the same old thing with Stanley every game. Where's the variety in our play? When will we see something from the training ground at set-pieces and corners? What the hell are they doing all day?

I know that you can't overload lower quality players with complicated tactics, but anyone can learn 3 different corner routines, or be able to pass accurately to a player on their own side.

4 points from the last 18 is disappointing (plus the FA Cup defeat), but it's not enough for me to question the manager. However, when you look at his signings for this season and the number that now don't even get a game anymore, then he has to stand up and be accountable. The same goes for the lack of motivation and the inability to build a defence, that has been inadequate for years.

Maybe I'm just disillusioned with the whole thing (as I've said in another thread) and need a break from it all. I've always gone to watch Stanley, but if I didn't have a season ticket, I probably wouldn't be there on Saturday.

(Don't even get me started on the running of the club. I heard stories on Wednesday that made my hair curl!!!

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sparkie · 09-12-2007, 10:57

Posted in error, sorry

Wynonie Harris · 09-12-2007, 12:21

OK, Coley has quite rightly come in for a lot of criticism in many different areas - his tactical faults, his near-suicidal insistence on playing Williams match after match, no matter how many errors he makes and much, much more. But if we get rid of him, will his replacement be able to do much better in keeping a club in the football league which only attracts an average gate of 1,600 (a full 300 below the average of the next worst supported club)? How will he go on juggling a miniscule playing budget?...or trying to tempt talented players here with a £25k wage when other division 2 clubs are offering £50k+? Will he not end up struggling just as Coley has done?

Yes, it's time for a change at the club, but at a much higher level. It's time that Eric Whalley kept his promise to retire and put the club up for sale at a realistic price. Whether anyone would buy or not remains to be seen but hopefully someone would. Because what this club needs is a totally fresh approach to attracting the local public - new ideas, innovative concepts and fresh initiatives to take us out of the rut we are currently in. If no one did make an offer, then at least, we'd know where we stood, but this present situation where Eric is asking for investment but insisting on keeping control is just not realistic - no one is going to invest on those terms. Eric's worked wonders for Stanley over the past few seasons, but I think it's time he handed over the reins now.