The Real Problem At Accrington Stanley

[Stanleymad]

You havent experienced stanley for very long, we had that already before when it had someone running it - was no better. Unless a new overhaul of board then no change will happen, its erics way or the highway atm.

[katei77]

i know all the old ways but it was an idea for the new stanley hopefully!

will go and sit in the corner as ive not enough experience of stanley it seems

[Stanleymad]

Originally Posted by katei77

i know all the old ways but it was an idea for the new stanley hopefully!

will go and sit in the corner as ive not enough experience of stanley it seems

Sorry i dont mean to offend its just the way it is with the club, our shop, the OSC has even tried to offload the store onto us so that the merchandise issue would be solved. We had someone run the club shop before and if u read old threads & im sure someone here will clarify had problems with their merchandise. Im all for new ideas it just was an idea out of many thats been tried & failed, frustratingly. Like i say unless a new board come along to take over then souch ideas may grow into fruition but whilst things stands as they are then no proper successful changes will happen, its the realistic answer atm we have all tried to address these issues & no doubt finding out yourself its being ignored or not listened to.

[Revived Red]

The club seems to appoint an endless stream of people to jobs connected with commercial management but nothing ever changes.

When Martin Edmundson was appointed, he said this : “I’m here to re-establish the club’s crucial community links and generally help Stanley progress to meet the set targets." What are the set targets? Who set them? How did the appointment of Marcelle Lazarus (who?) link to Martin's appointment? How is Martin's job linked to Dan Warburton's? There seems to be considerable overlap.

These are issues of overall management and strategy. I feel that this is the REAL problem at Accrington Stanley. It was a lack of overall management and strategy that made such a mess of the SOS Fund and its promotion.

[AccyMad]

Originally Posted by katei77

if it is planned well and 1 person employed to manage the rota stock etc....it could work well

the sos stall was thrown together in a very short space of time with no time for planning etc....not having ago but thats how it was

it does need a real business plan and by real i mean 1 that will ensure basic costs are covered

even i manage to run a small business so im sure stanley could but like you said do they really want it

I know what you're saying Katei but about the Arndale stall, it had been known by the club for a while that the space in the Arndale was available to them each Monday foc, at a meeting the ASSF had with Dan & Martin on 4th August, Dan mentioned they had been made the offer and that they wanted it to be a 'presence in the town', mainly to promote the Goldbond draw & sell official merchandise but they were struggling to man it. I offered to help out as at the time Monday was my day off work, Dan said he would be in touch when they needed me.
The next I heard was a month later at the SOS forum on 4th September - we ran it for the first time on Monday 7th, by then it had been turned into the sos stall.
So , although you're right in that as an sos fundraiser it was thrown together quickly - they had had time to plan something properly.

[Revived Red]

Originally Posted by AccyMad

I know what you're saying Katei but about the Arndale stall, it had been known by the club for a while that the space in the Arndale was available to them each Monday foc, at a meeting the ASSF had with Dan & Martin on 4th August, Dan mentioned they had been made the offer and that they wanted it to be a 'presence in the town', mainly to promote the Goldbond draw & sell official merchandise but they were struggling to man it. I offered to help out as at the time Monday was my day off work, Dan said he would be in touch when they needed me.
The next I heard was a month later at the SOS forum on 4th September - we ran it for the first time on Monday 7th, by then it had been turned into the sos stall.
So , although you're right in that as an sos fundraiser it was thrown together quickly - they had had time to plan something properly.

Right on cue!! Lack of overall management and strategy.

[JEFF]

Originally Posted by Exile on Spencer St

I'm afraid I think you're right. I've thought for some time that 'administration' was and maybe still is the goal of the board. Maybe it's all they think could ever be achieved; and the longer the crisis can be strung out, the better. What's a ten point deduction if you can leave all your creditors behind and start all over again, for a few more years? May as well owe £308miilion as £308K if the belief is that 'administration' will wipe out the debt.
Trouble is Stanley, unlike some other big city clubs that have 'chosen' that route, can't look to a guaranteed future fan base come-what-may.

WE HAVE A WINDING UP ORDER AGAINST US WE CANNOT GO INTO ADMINISTRATION. If the winding up order goes ahead Stanley will close immediately. If we are wound up on Wednesday we will not play Salisbury in the FA Cup, they will get a bye and we will not play any more matches in the Football League. Maybe that's why they haven't announced the prices for the game - just in case we are wound up.

[Exile on Spencer St]

Originally Posted by JEFF

WE HAVE A WINDING UP ORDER AGAINST US WE CANNOT GO INTO ADMINISTRATION. If the winding up order goes ahead Stanley will close immediately. If we are wound up on Wednesday we will not play Salisbury in the FA Cup, they will get a bye and we will not play any more matches in the Football League. Maybe that's why they haven't announced the prices for the game - just in case we are wound up.

Sh*t, Jeff. If that's the case it looks like '62 all over again. Different circumstances and reasons, but i seem to recall the chairman was 'missing' then.

[katei77]

I know what you're saying Katei but about the Arndale stall, it had been known by the club for a while that the space in the Arndale was available to them each Monday foc, at a meeting the ASSF had with Dan & Martin on 4th August, Dan mentioned they had been made the offer and that they wanted it to be a 'presence in the town', mainly to promote the Goldbond draw & sell official merchandise but they were struggling to man it. I offered to help out as at the time Monday was my day off work, Dan said he would be in touch when they needed me.
The next I heard was a month later at the SOS forum on 4th September - we ran it for the first time on Monday 7th, by then it had been turned into the sos stall.
So , although you're right in that as an sos fundraiser it was thrown together quickly - they had had time to plan something properly

4weeks is very short time in business,in the 4weeks leading upto the 1st SOS stall running the taxman was getting faster at chasing DON and co,i would think the stall idea was very low on the list of things to do,although it should of be higher on the list ie more income,the club then handed it over to the SOS appeal,more than likely with huge sign of relieve,1 less job for them!

Sorry i dont mean to offend its just the way it is with the club, our shop, the OSC has even tried to offload the store onto us so that the merchandise issue would be solved. We had someone run the club shop before and if u read old threads & im sure someone here will clarify had problems with their merchandise. Im all for new ideas it just was an idea out of many thats been tried & failed, frustratingly. Like i say unless a new board come along to take over then souch ideas may grow into fruition but whilst things stands as they are then no proper successful changes will happen, its the realistic answer atm we have all tried to address these issues & no doubt finding out yourself its being ignored or not listened to

No offence taken,think fans are becoming very mad through passion for stanley and jumping on each other comments,not a shock given the hell we are be put through

If we get through wed everyone who beileves they can help the club in a small or big way should be listened to not told oh we did that before it didnt work
look at the reasons why it didnt work can it work if things were done a little different

as for the present board they need to see they have a huge group of people willing to give their time for free in many cases to take the club forward

[Kiwi John]

KATEI 77.. you really must learn to either 'Cut and paste' or how to use the 'Quote' tab. It'll save wear on your fingers AND keyboard.

[shakermaker]

Originally Posted by katei77

4weeks is very short time in business,in the 4weeks leading upto the 1st SOS stall running the taxman was getting faster at chasing DON and co,i would think the stall idea was very low on the list of things to do,although it should of be higher on the list ie more income,the club then handed it over to the SOS appeal,more than likely with huge sign of relieve,1 less job for them!

It wasn't a job for them at all. The club didn't do anything.

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by shakermaker

It wasn't a job for them at all. The club didn't do anything.

It was an effort for certain people from the club to even turn up

[katei77]

Originally Posted by Kiwi John

KATEI 77.. you really must learn to either 'Cut and paste' or how to use the 'Quote' tab. It'll save wear on your fingers AND keyboard.

i did cut and paste

[katei77]

i know the club did bleep all,thats why i said it would not of be top the list but it should of be higher on the list but iam not talking about what the club did/didnt do but that just because the club have not listened to ideas before or planned ideas right it does not mean these ideas are unworkable

but no ideas will work untill we are listened to and that will be the fans biggest hurdle