Time to discuss Coleman - Page 2

Twenty Eight · 11-12-2016, 13:27

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Originally Posted by cashman

A certain player has been named many times by quite a few,which yeh would be aware of if yeh read the forum regular Twenty Eight.

So why say "a certain player" why not just refer to him by name or is everyone scared to do it ?

cashman · 11-12-2016, 13:43

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Originally Posted by Twenty Eight

So why say "a certain player" why not just refer to him by name or is everyone scared to do it ?

Not in the least i have done many times, it gets boring as you are beginning to be.

Revived Red · 11-12-2016, 14:00

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Originally Posted by Chrisr

Why are players brought through from the academy never given a chance at Stanley?

An excellent question. We read about the fantastic successes of the youth team in recent years, but the most we ever see of them now is an occasional appearance on the bench. Coley is often quoted as being keen to give a chance to eager young players who are hungry for success, but it never happens in reality. There are plenty of Premiership managers keen to give youngsters a chance at the highest level.

Chewbacca · 11-12-2016, 14:53

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Originally Posted by Revived Red

An excellent question. We read about the fantastic successes of the youth team in recent years, but the most we ever see of them now is an occasional appearance on the bench. Coley is often quoted as being keen to give a chance to eager young players who are hungry for success, but it never happens in reality. There are plenty of Premiership managers keen to give youngsters a chance at the highest level.

Rarely ever happens these days, it is almost the opposite. Coleman has given countless young players a chance and turned their careers around.

cashman · 11-12-2016, 14:55

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Rarely ever happens these days, it is almost the opposite. Coleman has given countless young players a chance and turned their careers around.

Who was the last that came through from the youth side then?

Chewbacca · 11-12-2016, 15:23

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Originally Posted by cashman

Who was the last that came through from the youth side then?

Most came from other teams youth sides, any good young player will go to a team with a top class academy at the first opportunity, then they filter down to lower leagues and non-league, as Stanley have benefited from for decades.

Even Connor Mahoney left at 16 or so.

AccyMad · 11-12-2016, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Twenty Eight

So why say "a certain player" why not just refer to him by name or is everyone scared to do it ?

Oh, some name him alright - quite often - you only need to read the comments on the Orient match thread after he was sent off

cashman · 11-12-2016, 16:17

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Most came from other teams youth sides, any good young player will go to a team with a top class academy at the first opportunity, then they filter down to lower leagues and non-league, as Stanley have benefited from for decades.

Even Connor Mahoney left at 16 or so.

Exactly, Conner hadn't become a first team regular when he was sold? as far as i remember, I'm referring to who came from ours and got a real chance?as i recall Marcus got the occasional start but was never given a good run?

Revived Red · 11-12-2016, 16:23

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Originally Posted by Chewbacca

Rarely ever happens these days, it is almost the opposite.

Rashford, Kane and Sims come to mind straight away.

shakermaker · 11-12-2016, 16:24

Put the question the other way - how many of our now-released youth team products have gone on to better things? None that I can think of. If they're good enough, they play. See Bobby Grant, Peter Murphy and Connor Mahoney.

football19 · 11-12-2016, 17:06

Unfortunately Shakers right,and it will only get worse !!,
If a 1st year YTS shows real quality,then the top academy teams will start circling.
It's a saying in football you want to be at a top teams academy as if/when your released,there's more branches to grab hold of as you fall down the tree !!
Hence,when we release young lads they tend to end up in non-league

keep the faith · 11-12-2016, 18:07

When is Ross Sykes going to get his chance? Sitting on the bench week after week, which prevents him from even getting a game with the youth team. How can this help with his development as a young 17 year old professional?

Revived Red · 11-12-2016, 19:14

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Originally Posted by football19

Unfortunately Shakers right,and it will only get worse !!,
If a 1st year YTS shows real quality,then the top academy teams will start circling.
It's a saying in football you want to be at a top teams academy as if/when your released,there's more branches to grab hold of as you fall down the tree !!
Hence,when we release young lads they tend to end up in non-league

So would you agree, f19, that there is no point in us having an academy and youth team?

The logic seems to be that the good ones go to a "top academy" while the less good ones go to non-league. And we gain nothing.

football19 · 11-12-2016, 20:16

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Originally Posted by Revived Red

So would you agree, f19, that there is no point in us having an academy and youth team?

The logic seems to be that the good ones go to a "top academy" while the less good ones go to non-league. And we gain nothing.

Bit more complicated than that as it's tied up with funding /football in the community etc..
This is why a lot of clubs don't have a reserve team and the top teams are under 21/23s
That's why taking lads on loan at 18/19 is key,as normally when released,they are the first clubs they talk to.

Chrisr · 11-12-2016, 21:27

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Originally Posted by cashman

Exactly, Conner hadn't become a first team regular when he was sold? as far as i remember, I'm referring to who came from ours and got a real chance?as i recall Marcus got the occasional start but was never given a good run?

I watched young Nathan Webb play last season and he has shown great promise and he has never featured in a senior game yet. This lad can go a long way if he gets a chance, Young Connor Mahoney hardly got a game and was sold. He is still developing at Blackburn but will be a great player. Why can't we do this at Stanley? There is so much that I feel the management could do better.