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Old 07-11-2007, 06:13   #1
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to throw or not to throw,that is the question

i see that 2 asfc fans were ejected from christie park last night for throwing missiles onto the pitch,even if these missiles were only till rolls,it is still an offence under football league regulation,many years ago you could get away with throwing toilet rolls and even in our uni -bond days you might get away with it,i myself have also throw toilet rolls on to the pitch during our non league outings, but there must be a line drawn between enjoying oneself and hooliganism,this could have resulted in an injury to a fan or even worse a player,the punishment according to f.a regulations is a life ban,but do we put this down as high spirits of an asfc fan or just hooliganism,i know according to other posts that one of the culprits was jase,if so i hope EW understands that passions run deep and is not to severe in the lenght of the ban,as jase has done a lot to bring entertainment to the terraces with the flags and banners and it would be a shame if one little mistake stopped him watching asfc,what are the thoughts of others re this incident
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:23   #2
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Re: to throw or not to throw,that is the question

I suspect this thread will go round in circles.

The rules state nothing should be thrown simply because people will always have their own views on what is safe and what is not safe. If you took a box of confetti in and threw a handful of it then we all know it won't do any harm but technically it's an offence. On the other hand some idiots think it's perfectly okay to throw coins, after all a penny is only a small object isn't it

It's a bit like standing at an all seater stadium, there are still lots of people who prefer to stand ( personally I'd prefer an option in all grounds ) but if you are in all seater stadium then the rules state you sit for most of the game. There are still those though who because they don't agree with the rules will stand. The problem is they blame the stewards when the rule is enforced.
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:23   #3
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just been on the official F.A. website to get more info on this and its not up to the club who the culprit supports (but the club can still put a banning order in place at their own ground)) the F.A decide the punishment and according to their guidelines its a lifetime ban. There is no right of appeal on any ban they give and the club has to go with their decision.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:12   #4
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just been on the official F.A. website to get more info on this and its not up to the club who the culprit supports (but the club can still put a banning order in place at their own ground)) the F.A decide the punishment and according to their guidelines its a lifetime ban. There is no right of appeal on any ban they give and the club has to go with their decision.

Not all banning orders are for life. To be honest I don't recall ever see it being applied although I'm sure somebody can find one. A recent case reported in the Nelson Leader in Nelson shows that orders are usually up to 2 or 3 years even if the offenders have previously held banning orders;

http://www.pendletoday.co.uk/nelson-...gan.3395786.jp

Not sure banning orders are put in place of people have only been ejected from a ground ( then a club may apply there own I guess), if the offence is charged and goes through the court I think the police apply for banning orders as standard.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:17   #5
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Re: to throw or not to throw,that is the question

If people know it's wrong to throw things then it's quite simple. They shouldn't throw things. Such a shame that someone did.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:30   #6
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If anyone has taken note of the Morecambe ticket on the back it has their terms & conditions in particular as below:

No 3 - Supporters are reminded that it is a criminal offence to a] enter upon field of play; b] chant foul & abusive or racist remarks; c] throw any objects towards the playing area or other areas of the stadium, d] in possession of intoxicating liquor or illegal substances whilst in view of the pitch or whilst entering the ground. THESE ARE ARRESTABLE OFFENCES [they put that in caps].
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:35   #7
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b] chant foul & abusive remarks

Blimey there would have been thousands arrested at the Turf for that last night, me included

The rules are standard at most grounds, it's how they are applied that tends to vary.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:41   #8
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LOL Dave must admit that one is a bit way too far fetched to be applied, gee we would all have been staying at Morecambe a some point, i dont think the smoking bans helps at all.
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Old 07-11-2007, 11:23   #9
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I thought one steward in particular MUST of been someone who always wanted to be a copper but for whatever reason it didnt come about, so he walks around football grounds waiting for the slightest reason to eject people. If jase and the other lad get banned for this its ludicrous! They are NOT hooligans, and if this is how soft football has become on and off the pitch then no wonder so many have said shove it up your arse im going down the local to watch it with men not ponses. I dont throw things personally but I swear and will join in with abusive chants to the opposition so I supose me and a few hundred more will be serving banning orders soon with this zero tolerence happy family prawn sandwich game. All aside brilliant result. Radio Lancs was singing the praises saying what an advert for league 2 football and also Mark (blind as a bat) Halsey commented on what a pace the game was played at. Come on ASFC/FA/Hyndburn mags dont ban over enthusastic SUPPORTERS.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:10   #10
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yawn......it was a bit of fun, we probs shouldn't have done it during the game but the passion of the moment and all that, hooligans your having a laugh
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hooligans your having a laugh
Is that going to be a new chant now....
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:35   #12
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I thought one steward in particular MUST of been someone who always wanted to be a copper but for whatever reason it didnt come about, so he walks around football grounds waiting for the slightest reason to eject people. If jase and the other lad get banned for this its ludicrous! They are NOT hooligans, and if this is how soft football has become on and off the pitch then no wonder so many have said shove it up your arse im going down the local to watch it with men not ponses. I dont throw things personally but I swear and will join in with abusive chants to the opposition so I supose me and a few hundred more will be serving banning orders soon with this zero tolerence happy family prawn sandwich game. All aside brilliant result. Radio Lancs was singing the praises saying what an advert for league 2 football and also Mark (blind as a bat) Halsey commented on what a pace the game was played at. Come on ASFC/FA/Hyndburn mags dont ban over enthusastic SUPPORTERS.
Well said, that man - couldn't have put it better myself!
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Old 07-11-2007, 20:18   #13
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i know about 4 lads who have bans (3 for liverpoool (fighting at millwall) and 1 everton (fighting at man united fans)).

thry go home and away, with 35,000 punters coming through the gates i guess its hard to enforce.
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Old 07-11-2007, 20:48   #14
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i see that 2 asfc fans were ejected from christie park last night for throwing missiles onto the pitch,even if these missiles were only till rolls,it is still an offence under football league regulation,many years ago you could get away with throwing toilet rolls and even in our uni -bond days you might get away with it,i myself have also throw toilet rolls on to the pitch during our non league outings, but there must be a line drawn between enjoying oneself and hooliganism,this could have resulted in an injury to a fan or even worse a player,the punishment according to f.a regulations is a life ban,but do we put this down as high spirits of an asfc fan or just hooliganism,i know according to other posts that one of the culprits was jase,if so i hope EW understands that passions run deep and is not to severe in the lenght of the ban,as jase has done a lot to bring entertainment to the terraces with the flags and banners and it would be a shame if one little mistake stopped him watching asfc,what are the thoughts of others re this incident
New toilet rolls no problem, I draw the line at used toilet rolls. There can't be too much harm in a toilet roll if they let little puppies play with 'em on the telly !
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Old 07-11-2007, 20:58   #15
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It would've all been fine (a la Halifax, Alty etc) had it not gone too far.
One of our fans got hurt & others including our goalkeeper narrowly escaped being hurt.
The right course of action was taken, and the person involved has apologised. End of as far as I see it.
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