Today's Programme - Page 4

Tin Monkey · 11-10-2009, 08:43

I don't personally care who knows what and if there are secret schemes afoot, but I've spent weeks trying to figure all this out and the only conclusion I can draw is that I'm being played for a fool!!

I'm well aware that you have to be careful what you say on public forums, but none of it makes any sense at all and the more people try to blag their way through it, the clearer it becomes that there are games being played. There is far too much going on 'in the shadows' and there are far too many unanswered questions.

Due to the fact that I'm not even sure who I'm raising the money for, I'm drawing a line under this whole SOS affair. I was looking forward to doing the Rochdale walk and I've actually done a little 'training' for it, but unless things become far more transparent in the next 2 weeks, I'll not be doing it.

My new mantra is: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me"

maccawozzagod · 11-10-2009, 08:46

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

I was looking forward to doing the Rochdale walk ... but unless things become far more transparent in the next 2 weeks, I'll not be doing it.

do it anyway TM.

At best its a massive fundraiser for the club

At worst its a massive show of public support for the team

Tin Monkey · 11-10-2009, 08:52

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

do it anyway TM.

At best its a massive fundraiser for the club

At worst its a massive show of public support for the team

I'm just ****ed off at the moment, but I know I'll probably end up doing it as it's a challenge for me. I wonder if I'll still say that when I'm in Rochdale Infirmary?

lancsdave · 11-10-2009, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Tin Monkey

I don't personally care who knows what and if there are secret schemes afoot, but I've spent weeks trying to figure all this out and the only conclusion I can draw is that I'm being played for a fool!!

I'd love to see the length of the queue

MCR ADIM · 11-10-2009, 09:00

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

do it anyway TM.

At best its a massive fundraiser for the club

At worst its a massive show of public support for the team

Also add to that its a bloody good laugh! Talking to different people stopping of in the pubs along the way!

Revived Red · 11-10-2009, 09:07

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Originally Posted by Willie Miller

no, just had a chat with the D'On & Rob... its the only way to try & get some truths....

So if we all ring on Monday morning, presumably we'll all get the same truths. Maybe we should all book 5-minute telephone appointments throughout the morning. To make it easy, the club could have a pre-recorded reply (maybe recorded by Marcelle - she's good with phones) which begins, "Thanks you for your call. The truth is ..... ".

Seriously, what a dreadful way to run a business. It's obvious from Katei77's post that confidential matters were being discussed in public. And Willie knows not only the master plan but even when it will be announced - "towards the end of the week".

I draw two conclusions. Either this is yet more prevarication with the powers-that-be yet again talking up the situation; or certain individuals, by accident or design, do indeed know the truth and have been granted knowledge which is denied to the rest of us.

This whole sordid business will have consequences.

Willie Miller · 11-10-2009, 09:39

We had to get some answers before we went to a meeting with the ASSF.... Seemed unfair to just jump onboard with them without speaking to the club. The club were gutted they couldn't release the details of the scheme planned for a final push to the finish line. But they were confident of success both in the tax bill & the future.

There are factions now, & the annoying thing is everybody wants the best for Accrington Stanley. But that was the most heart warming thing.

For the record, JC & Jimmy are confident the club can pull it off. They also added that there are some supporters who like a crisis & from "Eric Out" we now have Eric Out & its "D'On out!"

If you want to speak to Rob or D'On I am sure you can, they even make a good cuppa. Also spoke to Turner, MArtindale, Heap...

Same with the lads lassies in the ASSF. Everyone is geared up to helping Stanley. Its just at the moment, for some reason, all parties cannot agree.....

A shame....

yonmon · 11-10-2009, 10:14

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Originally Posted by Revived Red

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I draw two conclusions. Either this is yet more prevarication with the powers-that-be yet again talking up the situation; or certain individuals, by accident or design, do indeed know the truth and have been granted knowledge which is denied to the rest of us.

This whole sordid business will have consequences.

That ace propagandist Joachim von Ribbentrop...although God forbid anyone should think that I would ever compare anyone at Accrington Stanley with this monster.....had, in his opinion, a sure-fire way of 'putting Representatives of Nations, his enemies, and his own people off!)...This was to :-

1). Sit them comfortably and show them great hospitality!..

2) Tell them just enough in a manner to make them feel that what they were hearing was the whole truth.!..

3.) Reinforce this with a promise to inform them immediately of any changes which might affect anything which they had just heard !

and 4)..Make them feel that what they had been told was for their consideration only...this to send them away with a slight feeling of superiority at being privy to the imparted knowledge !!!.

This ruse has been known to surface in the world of both Diplomatic and Industrial Espionage on many occasions....and proved to be a more than successful way of 'keeping your opponents Happy!.

Theorists have also suggested that some individuals have these nefarious skills inborn, and find it easy to apply them without thinking!!....

Just thought you'd like to know!!

Revived Red · 11-10-2009, 10:25

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Originally Posted by Willie Miller

They also added that there are some supporters who like a crisis & from "Eric Out" we now have Eric Out & its "D'On out!"

Ludicrous! Do they actually imagine that there are "supporters" who have enjoyed the last 6 weeks.

Yes, there are those who want changes at the top. But, believe me, it is for much more potent reasons than simply liking a crisis.

Tin Monkey · 11-10-2009, 10:32

I seem to remember that Ribbentrop was found out to be an incompetent fool when the truth came out, but like you Yonmon, God forbid anyone should think that I would ever compare anyone at Accrington Stanley.... etc, etc.

Revived Red - Ludicrous is the correct word, but yet again it reflects their attitude towards the fanbase and the people doing things to help to save the club. At the moment there are so many factions being encouraged that the comparison between the fan and the mushroom seems apt: Fed **** and kept in the dark.

"I wouldn't pay them in washers", springs to mind. I know what I now believe and it would take an almighty piece of honesty to turn things around.

yonmon · 11-10-2009, 10:39

Even worse than that TM !!!....

"Von Ribbentrop entered the execution chamber at 1:11 a.m. Nuremberg time."

And on that note my meander down this avenue ends!!

katei77 · 11-10-2009, 10:55

Seriously, what a dreadful way to run a business. It's obvious from Katei77's post that confidential matters were being discussed in public.

At no point have i said confidential matters were discussed in public.

I have only said i wont repeat convos that i had with either members of the board or staff.

I do agree that the club could of handled things alot better from a Google Page Ranking point but i cant change what has be done or will be done by the Google Page Ranking dept

Revived Red · 11-10-2009, 11:01

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Originally Posted by katei77

Seriously, what a dreadful way to run a business. It's obvious from Katei77's post that confidential matters were being discussed in public.

At no point have i said confidential matters were discussed in public.

I have only said i wont repeat convos that i had with either members of the board or staff.

I do agree that the club could of handled things alot better from a Google Page Ranking point but i cant change what has be done or will be done by the Google Page Ranking dept

Katei77, this is what you wrote last night:

"We heard many convos between board and staff members"

You did NOT say that you had these conversations (convos??) with members of the board or staff.

Wynonie Harris · 11-10-2009, 11:07

I reckon people are not giving WM enough credit here. He's not daft and he's no one's fool. He's certainly not naive enough to be taken in by bland assurances. I still think the club missed the main chance by rejecting Ilyas's offer, but I am adopting a nervously hopeful stance.

I wonder if I'll be eating my words this time next week?

Revived Red · 11-10-2009, 11:17

To be honest, WH, I don't think it's a matter of not giving Willie Miller enough credit. It's much more the way that things are being done - again.

We are all desperate to believe that what WM has been told is indeed correct and a cause for quiet optimism. At the same time, we look on the history of the last 6 weeks .....