Today's Programme - Page 7

lancsdave · 11-10-2009, 17:37

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Originally Posted by katei77

That is my point why would a body as the UCLan even entertain the idea of going into partnership with ASFC unless there was firm assurances from ASFC(in a legal contract i would of thought)

they have me wondering again

There is nothing for UCLAN to lose though. They have somewhere to send students on work experience, it costs em nowt.

Doug · 11-10-2009, 17:40

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

How many times do they need to try? I don't just mean during the current crisis.

Dave the reason for my main onslaught was to reply to Willies post (post 52) which suggested that approaches were made for a unified approach but hadn’t happened.

Its strength in numbers at the end of the day, as individual groups its small numbers and very little voice; unified you have bigger lungs and even if they don’t like it.

Stanleymad · 11-10-2009, 17:43

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Originally Posted by Doug

Dave the reason for my main onslaught was to reply to Willies post (post 52) which suggested that approaches were made for a unified approach but hadn’t happened.

Its strength in numbers at the end of the day, as individual groups its small numbers and very little voice; unified you have bigger lungs and even if they don’t like it.

In all honesty doug we have ALL tried no difference before no different now.

katei77 · 11-10-2009, 17:46

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Originally Posted by lancsdave

There is nothing for UCLAN to lose though. They have somewhere to send students on work experience, it costs em nowt.

I would of thought it would cost them in terms of profile

losing work experience placements is not a good image nor is entering into any kind partnership with a unstable business good for the image

and i would of thought the extra work to staff within UCLan if placements fell through is something they would rather not have,

but they seem happy with the deal that has be made between both parties.

Bagpuss · 11-10-2009, 17:47

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

Could anyone please tell me why this is not the best way forward for the club?

Rob that is the best way forward but is it still an option? With DON still there I think not, I was asked today if it was worth donating to the SOS fund and I couldn't give an answer. It still gets me that the two directors haven't been named and I have a horrible feeling that the DONs masterplan is a directors loan raised with future earnings of the club which is where we were months ago.

Stanleymad · 11-10-2009, 17:58

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Originally Posted by katei77

I would of thought it would cost them in terms of profile

losing work experience placements is not a good image nor is entering into any kind partnership with a unstable business good for the image

and i would of thought the extra work to staff within UCLan if placements fell through is something they would rather not have,

but they seem happy with the deal that has be made between both parties.

To me that doesn't fill me with confidence they could of sweetened the uclan deal up certainly if approached by uclan offering free help of course they would take it.

lancsdave · 11-10-2009, 18:05

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Originally Posted by katei77

I would of thought it would cost them in terms of profile

losing work experience placements is not a good image nor is entering into any kind partnership with a unstable business good for the image

and i would of thought the extra work to staff within UCLan if placements fell through is something they would rather not have,

but they seem happy with the deal that has be made between both parties.

It can only be good for both parties if it works. Hopefully the students are coming from the local catchment area, presumably UCLAN run some of the courses mentioned at Accrington & Rossendale college?

katei77 · 11-10-2009, 18:30

As far as im aware the courses are be run through Burnley campus

lancsdave · 11-10-2009, 18:33

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Originally Posted by katei77

As far as im aware the courses are be run through Burnley campus

Makes sense, get some brains on the job

That fits in to place with what I said earlier about the student recruited

Willie Miller · 11-10-2009, 18:43

the main stumbling block at the moment after talking to both parties is that ASSF (or Illyas) wants shut of David & Rob Heys. Or they believe that is the case I thnk. Whether this is true I do not know.

I believe, right or wrong, that David & Rob are good guys. They are terrible at Google Page Ranking but will have learned a lot. They will make mistakes like everybody does. Rob would be on the Clayton End if not in the board room.

I believe that all parties are stubborn. All parties are wary. All parties think they are right.

Only COMPROMISE from both sides will result in a really strong ASFC....

A empty room, the main players & a BIG BIG padlock?

yonmon · 11-10-2009, 18:52

Only COMPROMISE from both sides will result in a really strong ASFC....

A empty room, the main players & a BIG BIG padlock?

Would you not agree WM that at this moment in time...the only location likely for this to take place would appear to be on Fantasy Island !...

Agree with your sentiments though!!

'ON STANLEY...ON!!..TO BETTER THINGS !!'

DAV007 · 11-10-2009, 19:35

Jase, i disagree mate. How long do you give and how many lessons do Dave and Rob require before we accept they are inadequate for the job. To be fair to Dave and Rob, they have been let down by an appauling commercial team. I think the kids name was/is Dan. What has he achieved? Stanley can go through this experience or grow through it. IMO, this is a fantastic opportunity to clear out the deadwood and debt, and start afresh with new staff on a sustainable budget. The current regime are failures and must go if the club enters into new ownership.

Willie Miller · 11-10-2009, 20:10

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Originally Posted by DAV007

Jase, i disagree mate. How long do you give and how many lessons do Dave and Rob require before we accept they are inadequate for the job. To be fair to Dave and Rob, they have been let down by an appauling commercial team. I think the kids name was/is Dan. What has he achieved? Stanley can go through this experience or grow through it. IMO, this is a fantastic opportunity to clear out the deadwood and debt, and start afresh with new staff on a sustainable budget. The current regime are failures and must go if the club enters into new ownership.

And so, IMHO, therein lies the problem....

Like Turkeys voting for Xmas

maccawozzagod · 11-10-2009, 20:30

Dave and/or Rob needn't have to go. It was never the case and doesn't have to be now. Certainly in the early days we/I was all for working with the club and giving it the tools to go forwards. But as was stated yesterday at the meeting, it would seem that David didn't even understand the deal that was offered.

Anyways, as I reckoned earlier on, the ASSF bid is doomed and as good as over. If David does proceed with the projected borrowing then the deal is done. ASFC avoids the immediate threat and hopes for a big cup draw, or we sell a Bobby Grant or Chris Turner for a large amount that then pays off debts rather than being used to kick on.

As mentioned elsewhere, the ASSF will now need to start looking to the future. Seeing as how we cant/wont be used by the club in the short term future we have the time to start looking at how we evolve and how we utilise all that is good about the club - the fans. It will be my 'special project' so to speak.

viva los Reds

Willie Miller · 11-10-2009, 20:35

And hopefully Robert, we will come out stronger!

Until all the bad stuff came to light, the SOS appeal & our need to rally the town had really really consolidated the support. The players too have responded.