Tonight's Officials

[cashman]

Originally Posted by tufc27

He had control of the game except for 1 minute in the second half. Even the best of refs give red cards for serious foul play, you can't expect a ref to permanently have all 22 players under his control. They do occasionally, without warning get out of control, and all the referee can do is issue the appropriate punishment.

yeh really are a ******, mab was right TROLL

[tufc27]

Originally Posted by carpon

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Were you at the game tonight muppet ???? Nope, watching the game from the comfort of your armchair, quietly formulating your own opinion. Why wheren't you at the Greenhaus watching your own team ????

Stevenage are an absolute disgrace....a stronger official would have sent Shrek...sorry .....Charles off for the lunge in the first half...let alone all the elbows and sly kicks, not just from Shrek but from the bloody lot of them!!!. Don't forget a T.V camera only shows you what the bloke holding or operating it is quick enough to catch.

The rest of them are feigning cheats..they can give it but given a bit back, the slightest touch sometimes, but in a competetive game, they fell down at every opportunity. Played for time. Wasted it. And that so called "Football League Official" bought it

Notice you say very little about the Stevenage tactics ??? Maybe when they've done the same to you're lot, you might start singing a different tune????

And if you're a Ref, then you're probably of the same ilk...as in ...you obviously didn't see, or turned a blind eye to all the Stevenage shenanigans !!! I really hope you have a bit more bottle than that clown tonight....It spoke volumes that he did a runner at the first given opportunity.....He knew he'd had a shocker, hence why he made for the changing rooms A.S.A.P..

I played the game, at a much lower level, although I'd have to say,In my playing career, I never encountered a clown like that in my time. Don't come on here making excuses for somebody who isn't fit for Sunday league......at junior level.

If they beat Torquay in the final, after conning the next ref....are you coming on here to issue you're profound apologies ???? I somewhat doubt it.

Don't call me an armchair fan. I live in London, but I've still managed to get back for 11 home league games this season + 9 away. I had a ticket for the Torquay game this evening, but couldn't go as I injured my knee on Wednesday, and am walking on a stick. Stevenage players might have gone down a bit easily, but they don't have to go down for it to be foul, so the ref was absolutely right to give them free kicks, whether they went down or not. I assume you're also talking about the McConville red card? Yes the Stevenage players went to the linesman about it, but that's no different to appealing for a decision normally.

The ref didn't have a shocker: the simple fact is you got outplayed, and you're blaming your defeat on the ref. He ran off pronto at FT as he feared a pitch invasion, and was worried for his and his assistants' safety, as he had sent two home players off.

[tufc27]

Originally Posted by cashman

yeh really are a ******, mab was right TROLL

That word really is bandied about too much these days. Most football fans have very little idea of the 'art of refereeing', so you call troll. Grow up.

[SamF]

Originally Posted by tufc27

That word really is bandied about too much these days. Most football fans have very little idea of the 'art of refereeing', so you call troll. Grow up.

"You weren't there man, you weren't there"

Anyone who saw the game with their own eyes knows the ref was wearing yellow. I've played football with a ref in his late 70's early 80's, he couldn't hear a thing and never left the centre circle because he couldn't run but at least he was fair, he wasn't good but he was fair, he barely made a correct decision all game but at least it was the same for both teams. Today if Charles did it - play on, if Gornell did it - foul. The ref today could have knocked all the time wasting on the head with a yellow card in the first 15 mins, he didn't. You can't blame Stevenage, bet they couldn't believe their luck, Jacobson's challenge in this game was not a red in a million years, given the leniency of the ref on challenges of the same ilk by Stevenage players. If the ref had called up every push, trip, elbow then yes, it was a red, but if he was to be consistent Stevenage would have been down to 8 by half time.

[carpon]

Originally Posted by tufc27

Yes the Stevenage players went to the linesman about it, but that's no different to appealing for a decision normally.

The ref didn't have a shocker: the simple fact is you got outplayed, and you're blaming your defeat on the ref. He ran off pronto at FT as he feared a pitch invasion, and was worried for his and his assistants' safety, as he had sent two home players off.

Outplayed??? Sky coverage must be absolute bobbins now !!! I must remember to cancel my subscription later !!!! Even with nine on the park we we're still having a go !!!

If you're a ref, then answer the question about.... Shrek...sorry..Charles..Should blatanly have walked for the first half lunge...never mind all the elbows and sly kicks???

It would have been a different game then.

If McCoville did raise an arm/ hand / whatever, then fair enough, from my view in the main stand, I missed that one, I accept he deserved the red. I did not miss all the first half antics of the aforesaid Shrek..sorry...Charles and and all the rest of the Stevenage antics..Nor did I miss all their second half antics...

The problem with referees at any level is consistency. They are human and at times can make mistakes. That guy tonight made an absolute plethora of them.....then decided to run for the cover of the changing room sharpish, leaving all the remaining players on the pitch. It took Westley to tell their lads the game was over !!!!

He never had control of the game after he lost it early on, obviously effected by the fact he was on / in the national spotlight (sky) and wanted to play to the cameras.

As I said earlier...not fit to referee at football league level.

And as for pitch invasion??? Did Sky not show the way true fans dignify themselves ??? Applauding a galant effort !!! How many fans went after the ref ???

Answers..(which coincidentally equal TUFC27's I.Q ) go to the guest referee !!!!

[BFC Jo]

Originally Posted by SamF

"You weren't there man, you weren't there"

Anyone who saw the game with their own eyes knows the ref was wearing yellow. I've played football with a ref in his late 70's early 80's, he couldn't hear a thing and never left the centre circle because he couldn't run but at least he was fair, he wasn't good but he was fair, he barely made a correct decision all game but at least it was the same for both teams. Today if Charles did it - play on, if Gornell did it - foul. The ref today could have knocked all the time wasting on the head with a yellow card in the first 15 mins, he didn't. You can't blame Stevenage, bet they couldn't believe their luck, Jacobson's challenge in this game was not a red in a million years, given the leniency of the ref on challenges of the same ilk by Stevenage players. If the ref had called up every push, trip, elbow then yes, it was a red, but if he was to be consistent Stevenage would have been down to 8 by half time.

Absolute bull**** on that one. Charles was penalised numerous times for jostling with your centre backs as was Reid and Gornell. Wait till you see Jacobson's tackle again and you should change your mind it was a definite red. Late, didn't get near the ball and his foot was high, it hit Reid studs up in his leg. Stevenage were very niggly but at no point were stupid or reckless like some Accrington players in the second half.

Originally Posted by carpon

Outplayed??? Sky coverage must be absolute bobbins now !!! I must remember to cancel my subscription later !!!! Even with nine on the park we we're still having a go !!!

If you're a ref, then answer the question about.... Shrek...sorry..Charles..Should blatanly have walked for the first half lunge...never mind all the elbows and sly kicks???

It would have been a different game then.

If McCoville did raise an arm/ hand / whatever, then fair enough, from my view in the main stand, I missed that one, I accept he deserved the red. I did not miss all the first half antics of the aforesaid Shrek..sorry...Charles and and all the rest of the Stevenage antics..Nor did I miss all their second half antics...

The problem with referees at any level is consistency. They are human and at times can make mistakes. That guy tonight made an absolute plethora of them.....then decided to run for the cover of the changing room sharpish, leaving all the remaining players on the pitch. It took Westley to tell their lads the game was over !!!!

He never had control of the game after he lost it early on, obviously effected by the fact he was on / in the national spotlight (sky) and wanted to play to the cameras.

As I said earlier...not fit to referee at football league level.

And as for pitch invasion??? Did Sky not show the way true fans dignify themselves ??? Applauding a galant effort !!! How many fans went after the ref ???

Answers..(which coincidentally equal TUFC27's I.Q ) go to the guest referee !!!!

You think Charles should of gone for the lunge? Stupid, it wasn't even a lunge. He stretched for the ball and caught the Accy player on his toes/top of his foot and got booked. Your player rolled around for a bit then got up and walked off perfectly fine after about 5 or 6 Accy players had surrounded the ref.

Funny how you don't mention Gornells elbow on Laird, caught him right in the face then shouted at the ref when a freekick was given and told Laird to get up.
The only clear chance Accrington had was the close range 'header' which was in fact a Maradonna esque handball. Stevenage created quite a few even before the sending offs (Long, Charlesx2).

Both reds were 100% right, even the pro Accrington commentary booth agreed. Stevenage were called non-league numerous times (especially by Lowe for some reason) and Coleman tried to say McCoville raised his hands because he got stamped on which was a total lie!

You deserved to lose because of the state of the pitch alone, truly embarrasing. Neither team were saints but for diving and crowding the referee Accrington won, shame they couldn't convert that into goals ey. The right team went through. Shame Stevenage didn't bring on Dino in the end, I think we used every first team outfield player available we were that short on players.

It's funny how you shout down a neutral fan for being bias, what does that make you then?

[AccyMad]

Before reading tufc's comments on here tonight was really hoping that Torquay would stuff sewerage out of sight at Old Trafford next week,now I'm not so sure - if they do to them what they did (and the ref allowed them to do) to us tonight they may well be singing a different tune.
Just hope that whatever Westley paid the ref tonight was enough to let him live with his consiounce - if any ref believes the decisions he made have been right would he really have trotted off like that one did tonight, I think not!! An absolute disgrace to the game & the profession & hope he is reported to the league as Coley tonight said he was going to do

[Pendle Red]

As a spectacle for a neutral from a free flow point of view it must have been squirming

As a fan watching inside the ground it was dreadful which was something the referee never got to grips with right from the outset, too much stop start it was obvious from the first leg how Stevenage play in they are physical which we never matched but they were also allowed to get away with it too much in niggles with flailing arms etc. over the two legs especially last night.

A stronger referee would have stamped his authority earlier on in the game and then allowed the game to flow for us it just meant as the game went on, we became more embroiled in descisions rather than trying to play football the way we can.

A great shame and a sad way for the curtain to fall on what has been from a footballing point of view the best Stanley side I have had the privilege of seeing.

[rishtonreds]

Originally Posted by tufc27

Torquay fan and a ref in peace, but how on earth can you go on and on about the way the referee left the pitch? He sent off two home players in a playoff semifinal 2nd leg, and feared a pitch invasion, as is customary for most league 2 teams for the last game of the season. Given his decisions, it was a fair judgement that he and his assistants could well have been threatened. Fair enough, it didn't look the best, but he has to put the safety of his team above looking respectful.

Why are you suggesting he should lose his place on the National List for that?
He had a decent game, and any Accy fan seriously having a go at him is just bitter. Up until the incident of the 2 red cards, it wasn't a dirty game, just very physical, with strong but fair challenges from both sides.

As for the away players getting McConneville sent off, all they did was speak to the assistant, who should be reporting to the referee what McConville did anyway. It was inexcusable, and he should know that if you raise your hands, you will be sent off!

I would expect you to stick up for the Ref, being one...

but, WTF.....????? I didnt notice the Ref leg it, just saw the liner on the Whinney Hill side run across the pitch and disappear, thought he must be going for another flag, or something..

there was absolutely no animosity being shown from the crowd at that point, just a subdued resignation that it wasn't to be...

and tell me, as a Ref, is that in the Ref's manual....????

At the end of Division 4 Play-Off match, "leg-it"......

He was a coward all night, and the end of the match proved it.

[rishtonreds]

Originally Posted by BFC Jo

, I think we used every first team outfield player available we were that short on players.

It's funny how you shout down a neutral fan for being bias, what does that make you then?

I THINK YOU HAVE GIVEN THE GAME AWAY SUNSHINE...

"WE" used every outfield player "WE" were short of players...

I have already been warned twice about my comments on here, so I will just say, enjoy OT....

[lancsdave]

Originally Posted by tufc27

Why are you suggesting he should lose his place on the National List for that?
He had a decent game, and any Accy fan seriously having a go at him is just bitter. Up until the incident of the 2 red cards, it wasn't a dirty game, just very physical, with strong but fair challenges from both sides.

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His safety was never in any doubt. How many matches do you go to where the referee is booed off the pitch, how many league matches in England have you been to where the referee has been attacked ? This is not local park football this is a league ground where the pitch may look like the surface of the moon but the controls and handling of the games is no different to anywhere else. The referee would have had the same protection as anywhere else at the end of the game.

I was a Class 1 referee for a few years, I often defend referees. I thought his performance was poor, it wasn't made easier by the players, but that is all irrelevant and his exit was shameful.

It was also an insult to Accrington Stanley Football Club and it's fans if he thinks his safety was compromised. Do you really beleive it is the most dangerous ground in the football league for match officials. Major insult

[jaysay]

I have to say I've been watching Football for 60 years and its the first time I've seen the ref leave all the 20 (in this case) on the field scratching their heads as to whats going on (what we doing lads, lets have a kick about) He made some very strange decisions in deed, the first red card would have been justified if he had given one to the oppositions striker in the first half, both were feet of the ground studs showing, as for the second there can't be any complaints really, whatever happens you don't raise your hands on the field the guy did it three times, daft really. As for the opposition, Think their manager sums them up really, Never heard of him before last Sunday but he has a face that looks like it needs a slap, don't think it will be long before that happens, just loved the six or seven team talks during the game when one of their players went down to order, you don't half see things like that on the TV which is probably missed live at the ground, but from relegation favorites to play offs is a great achievement one step further next year

[socceroo fan]

The FA should ensure that referee never gets to referee League football again.

As for his linesman, well the same linesman that had mcconville sent off somehow missed Charles' blatant elbow in the face to Cisak in the first half and they almost scored from it.

I really felt for all at Accrington last night and it's a shame was looking forward to seeing Cisak at Old trafford. You guys were mugged.

[rishtonreds]

I have just watched the end of the game again, and still cannot believe what happened...

it is even better in slow motion...

he looked at his watch, sprinted head down towards the corner, and only actually blew as he crossed the line heading through the gate. You can see the fourth official sprinting down the line behind him, and then the poor linesman from the Whinney Hill side (who must really have been poohing his pants by this stage), running for his life

It is absolutely unbelievable........

I know the Crown Ground is a cauldron of hate, where opposing fans get stabbed, cars get set on fire and shops looted every other Saturday, and fans are regularly locked up for running on the pitch and shooting the officials....

but why run??????

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[rishtonreds]

I was joking, obviously