vs Stockport County - Page 2

maccawozzagod · 18-02-2007, 09:16

Good set of fans from Stockport yesterday, didn't see or hear of any trouble and every Stockport fan I spoke to had good words to say about us. Would especially like to thank the Stockport fans in the bar after the game who stood up and applauded when Loweiy was giving his Churchill speech.

Nice to see the away end properly full and with a bit of colour from their flags as well. Good effort from our lads but not our best singing moments by end stretch of the imagination. Listening to the Stockport fans noise could have been so much better if they had all sung the same song at the same time! At one point they had threee different songs being sung and all were audible, says something about the strenght in depth though that they can carry three different songs.

It was a shame the referee wanted to be the star of the show - the stop start nature did absolutely nothing to maintain any atmosphere. But yet again he was crap for both teams not least of all Robbie Williams blatantly controlled with his hand in the area with 15 minutes to go.

As far as the Stanley performance went I thought we played some absolutely blinding football for good spells, but we seem to have lost the ability to penetrate. Some good lead up play but not really testing the keeper. Rommy Boco's touch is fantastic and he looks like he is back to his best now.
Tony Grant - how much time can one man have on the ball? Even in the penalty area he seems to find time to put his foot on the ball, change direction and pass it out, class. The Keeper - getting better and more confident every game, but looks really laid back with his kicking. Never seems to meet a back pass and thats why his kicking is poor. Needs to run out to it some times rather than waiting for it to come to him. Mauro - looks strong and wasn't muscled off the ball once. Couple of mis understandings with the defence around him but was covering for Rogers quite a bit. Also thinks he can let the ball bounce before he deals with it and nearly suffered as a result. Will learn the pace of the game quickly though.
Phil Edwards - MOM performance and rightly so. Good time fo rhim to pick up a MOM with Cav about to be declared fit. Can the Captain get his place back?

Good drinking to be had in the Oaklea later on, sharing a few drinks with Fred Pirrie who played for the Galbraith era in the fifties. Sharing tales of Eric Whalley and Bryan Douglas at the dog tracks and doing National Service with Bobby Charlton and Duncan Edwards. Its nice to speak to these guys and the fact that he has lived around the corner from the ground all these years amazes me. Also spotted was Stuart Fleetwood having dinner with his mum. Big up to the Fleetwoods, nice people with friendly words and I wish Stuart all the best for the future.

StockportJack · 18-02-2007, 09:30

To be fair I thought County were worth the win. I wouldn't call it a lucky break for the goal either, we took the chance well and its not our fault you committed 8 men forward for a throw in leaving 4 on 1 for the goal.

Accrington came back into the game well in the second half but our keeper was never really tested, but it could have easily been 2-0 or 3-0 at half time had we taken our chances.

However the battling spirit Accrington showed, I believe, will keep them up.

Oldgobbin · 18-02-2007, 22:04

Again, after a defeat, not a lot of comment. However, I might as well give my two penn'orth. Really and truly I felt Stockport won it at a canter, apart from a 20 minute spell early in the second half. The starting line-up was puzzling to say the least, unless you consider that the shake-up is mainly to accommodate Alan Podgers - and I have to ask, is it worth it? Having said that, we never looked like scoring, even when we went back to a more familiar format in the second half. Is it predictable or what?.. Long ball in the air to Mullin who wins it sometimes. When he does, he heads it to one of the opposition and... surprise, surprise, we're under pressure again. I know I'll be slated on here, but I'm really starting to worry about Paul, especially as his presence seems to dictate the tactics. Good displays yesterday from Phil, Rommy, Rocky and, to some degree, Almeida (Oh yes, and the keeper!). Very disappointed with the rest. I haven't seen the statistics, but just how many shots did we have on target? Still, heads up, and let's look for better things at Darlo on Tuesday.

cmonstanley · 18-02-2007, 22:16

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Originally Posted by maccawozzagod

Good set of fans from Stockport yesterday, didn't see or hear of any trouble and every Stockport fan I spoke to had good words to say about us. Would especially like to thank the Stockport fans in the bar after the game who stood up and applauded when Loweiy was giving his Churchill speech.

Nice to see the away end properly full and with a bit of colour from their flags as well. Good effort from our lads but not our best singing moments by end stretch of the imagination. Listening to the Stockport fans noise could have been so much better if they had all sung the same song at the same time! At one point they had threee different songs being sung and all were audible, says something about the strenght in depth though that they can carry three different songs.

It was a shame the referee wanted to be the star of the show - the stop start nature did absolutely nothing to maintain any atmosphere. But yet again he was crap for both teams not least of all Robbie Williams blatantly controlled with his hand in the area with 15 minutes to go.

As far as the Stanley performance went I thought we played some absolutely blinding football for good spells, but we seem to have lost the ability to penetrate. Some good lead up play but not really testing the keeper. Rommy Boco's touch is fantastic and he looks like he is back to his best now.
Tony Grant - how much time can one man have on the ball? Even in the penalty area he seems to find time to put his foot on the ball, change direction and pass it out, class. The Keeper - getting better and more confident every game, but looks really laid back with his kicking. Never seems to meet a back pass and thats why his kicking is poor. Needs to run out to it some times rather than waiting for it to come to him. Mauro - looks strong and wasn't muscled off the ball once. Couple of mis understandings with the defence around him but was covering for Rogers quite a bit. Also thinks he can let the ball bounce before he deals with it and nearly suffered as a result. Will learn the pace of the game quickly though.
Phil Edwards - MOM performance and rightly so. Good time fo rhim to pick up a MOM with Cav about to be declared fit. Can the Captain get his place back?

Good drinking to be had in the Oaklea later on, sharing a few drinks with Fred Pirrie who played for the Galbraith era in the fifties. Sharing tales of Eric Whalley and Bryan Douglas at the dog tracks and doing National Service with Bobby Charlton and Duncan Edwards. Its nice to speak to these guys and the fact that he has lived around the corner from the ground all these years amazes me. Also spotted was Stuart Fleetwood having dinner with his mum. Big up to the Fleetwoods, nice people with friendly words and I wish Stuart all the best for the future.

were you ****ed or something your having a laugh blinding football i dont think so blinding rubbish more like it totaly out classed was it when they made about 10 passes in midfield thats cause stockport let them its about tactics something we havent got did you see a shot on target no i never either before i get negative karma this is not a personal attack cause i think youve done brilliant with the supporters club its a bout time everybody gets their head out of the sand cause thers something not right at stanley no passion no tactics no nouse nothin

StockportJack · 18-02-2007, 22:18

I agree with the last post.

I think for all the passing about in midfield you did, I counted just one shot from inside the penalty area, and that was from 15 yards.

We seemed quite contempt to let you knock it about in midfield, knowing you would have to find a killer pass - and it didn't seem you had the creativity in midfield to do that.

Redraine · 18-02-2007, 22:56

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Originally Posted by StockportJack

We seemed quite contempt

Sums it up nicely

Redraine · 18-02-2007, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Oldgobbin

I know I'll be slated on here, but I'm really starting to worry about Paul, especially as his presence seems to dictate the tactics.

Horrible little demons in my head were saying the same yesterday. He never has a shot these days as he's always playing with his back to the goal.

cmonstanley · 18-02-2007, 23:11

so im not going dafter than i am already are somethings gotta change like a change of tactics would be a start

hes main striker and doesnt even get a shot on target somethings wrong with the setup of the team he wins the ball but nobody is there to collect it how many times did we lose possesion

without having a shot on goal?

Zero · 19-02-2007, 02:45

I think paul is getting fitter and faster by the game, but its the big hoof tactic that`s letting him down. I said this long ago when we were much higher up the table, it`s predictable to us, to opposition who might watch a vid or 2 even to opposition fans who post on here. Stanley always look much better with the ball at feet running at people in numbers, passing and pressuring. Half the time the big hoof goes up there`s no-one near Mullers if he does get something on it and not penalised. i feel it may be a good idea to rest him for Darlo, imagine the tactical shift they`ll have to make instantly if we strode out on tuesday and Mullers with the feet up. Darlo have big ugly defenders who`ll spoil his game so lets spoil theirs with Mangy and Boco running rings round em.
Just can`t wait for Leighton to come back cos he`s just what we need to start carving teams open.

Another thing, Stockport didn`t just let us pass it about in front of goal for a bit, any decent spells by Stanley were earned. D`ya really think County said Oh we let them have a bit of pressure for a bit, liven it up for the defence, make it a bit more of a challenge. I doubt it.

Who dya reckon for Darlo then + why ?

Me

Shrek

Edwards
Williams
Almieda
Richardson

Todd
Harris
Grant
Whalley

Boco
Mangan

Resting Mullers like I said in favour of more whippets
No room for Rodgers til he can go after the ball like it were a chocolate biscuit.

kimberly-clark · 19-02-2007, 09:26

i agree with zero, upfront has to be sorted out. I questioned paul mullins selection earlier on in the season and got hammered on here. Mullin may be a legend at the club but to me now i think hes slow, doesnt shoot, cant beat a man, wins actually very few headers, and as people have rightly pointed out he dictates the tactics being on the field. Coleman said as the question evening, that we cant play brown because he likes to pass and paul mullin doesnt play like that???? so why is he at the club? drop mullin and give brown and mangan a chance and lets get the ball on the floor. or as zero says mangan and boco upfront. Were three quarters of the way through the season and its blindingly obvious that a hoof up to mullin is getting us nowhere fast.

AccyMad · 19-02-2007, 10:08

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for those who doubt Mully - Mangan is not the answer, any player who drives off from the ground in a huff because he's not in the starting line up (as Mangy did on Saturday) is not worth bothering with. I used to think he was a good prospect but not any more, yes he has speed but thats it, he doesn't think about the game and at times still acts like a petulant child.

kimberly-clark · 19-02-2007, 10:14

i heard he drove off too, but he came back didnt he? id be upset to if i was left out the squad. If the team was scoring five a game and the strikers on fire then you would have to accept it. But i think he probably has reason to be slighlty upset as the strikers are struggling big time. driving off obviously isnt the right decision, but i think it just proves he's desperate to play. Everybodys going on about we needed to sign a striker in the window and we got fleetwood and for me he adds nothing. Can you honestly say you feel mangan and brown have had a fair crack of the whip or a run of games to prove themselves?

stanleyfan · 19-02-2007, 12:50

what???? he drove off before the game?????
silly boy, he gets a good wage for his age
but i do feel sorry for him

maccawozzagod · 19-02-2007, 13:20

I reckon Mangan was given chance when we had nobody else and he blew it by getting sent off for petulance. As far as David Brown is concerned, Coley said last week that when players display the correct attitude and are willing to work hard he will give them a chance. Does Brown not display these two traits in training every day?

I agree and disagree on Mullin though. He does what is asked of him in every game and turns up prepared to be battered, he rarely loses the ball when he gets it to feet and he works harder than ANYBODY else in the side. However, we do play a very readable game and need to have a plan B. I dont think Mully would take it to heart if he was told that he was being rested whilst we tried a different attacking option out.

Boco and Brown up top

Whalley, Harris or Proctor, Grant, Todd across the middle.

Brown is clever enough to play with Boco and between them they would be tricky little buggers. It would rely on a better class of passing from the midfield but Harris played some clever balls on saturday and Grant, when he realises he can kick forwards as well, has got the cleverness in him. Ally that with fast wing play from Todd and Whalley and we would have the ability to cut through people again. It allows for flexibilty in that either Boco or Brown can come deeper if necessary and Mullin as a 'resting' sub can either come on to hold up the ball if we are winning or to throw on as a third striker if we are chasing and need to lump a few balls in.

Mullin would always get in my first 11, but I would not base our entire game around him. We should be looking for faster play from our wingers to get in behind them and whipping early balls in for the likes of Boco or Mully to nip on the end of. But we never see that kind of goal anymore.

Paper Boy · 19-02-2007, 13:39

It's true we don't see those sort of goals anymore, I think the reason for that is that Paul isn't able to boss the penalty area as much as he did in the Unibond days for obvious reasons. To score those sort of goals you need a striker who is able to get in front of the defenders which requires either pace or strength. Paul used to have the upper hand with his power, but all managers and defenders know that now and negate his threat with good solid defending. More recently we have seen teams doubling up against Paul which makes it very hard for him.

As I'm sure everyone will agree he was at his best when paired up with Lutel and he hasn't had that type of partner for a while. Whilst one type of goalscoring opportunity has been taken away from him, there is no doubt in my mind that he can still be a very effective member of the team. His heading ability is top class (can't believe some disagree), but he is a link in our attacking chain and if no one is able to get near enough to him to feed of the flicks (which Lutel did) then it's a wasted tactic. We need someone to offer him support and we haven't got anyone - we need to stop trying to kid ourselves that Brown and Mangan are the answer - they're blatantly not good enough.

Personally, I'm pinning my hopes on McGivern who gave a little glimpse that he may well be the missing link.