I didn't post the question so that it would become a heated argument, but that it would promote a healthy mature debate......even though the subject matter could be seen as emotive.
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I didn't post the question so that it would become a heated argument, but that it would promote a healthy mature debate......even though the subject matter could be seen as emotive.
well said well said
I may be the lone voice here but I believe anyone found guilty of treason or terrorist acts should face the death sentence!
A question though: Are these guys put in with the general prison population? Wouldn't they "take care of them" as they would child molestors and such?
THIS IS MEANT AS A JOKE: Maybe our American Criminals are more morally righteous. They would assuredly put these scumbags out of our misery and make the prison yard a happier place!
Brian
A question though: Are these guys put in with the general prison population? Wouldn't they "take care of them" as they would child molestors and such?
THIS IS MEANT AS A JOKE: Maybe our American Criminals are more morally righteous. They would assuredly put these scumbags out of our misery and make the prison yard a happier place!
Brian
that was exactly the reason i just asked a straightforward question i respected the way the view was put forward, although i vehemently disagree.
well done eric.
Ok one question.......would you be prepared to fund the incarceration at your expense in Canada. It can be arranged, I will speak to Gordon...would you be prepared to fund these clowns for forty years taking funds from the public purse when life saving drugs are denied to law abiding citizens in your country?
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They were given sanctuary here from danger in their own native countries. Their thanks for that was to plot to destroy the country which took them in. How should we treat them? How can it be vengeance to seek to protect ourselves and our children? It's not vengeance, it's common sense. Self preservation doesn't bring us down to their level. Far from it.
Yes Margaret you are probably right that failed suicide bombers wouldn't be regarded as such heroes.
It just doesn't seem right that innocent people should be deprived of medical attention and drugs whilst these convicted criminals will get the best medical care in prison, no bills to pay, no worries all at tax payers' expense. Priorities a bit skewed there somewhere.
Yes Margaret you are probably right that failed suicide bombers wouldn't be regarded as such heroes.
It just doesn't seem right that innocent people should be deprived of medical attention and drugs whilst these convicted criminals will get the best medical care in prison, no bills to pay, no worries all at tax payers' expense. Priorities a bit skewed there somewhere.
There is one overriding reason why they will not be deported. Because this present government refuses to deport anyone, no matter what their crime, to their country of origin, if it is considered that they may face danger there. Perhaps, the government's representative on this forum, Greg Pope, would care to tell us why?
If they end up in Belmarsh prison, which a lot of them do, they'll have a fine old time, and all at our expense.
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Unfortunately in Canada they would have to serve only 25 years. Some muslims were held for a while in a special facility at Millhaven pen on suspiscion of being linked to terrorist groups. But the Supreme Court upheld their right not to be incarcerated without trial. But I still hold to my opinion .... altho' not to the point of causing a fuss about it. But I do know that in democratic countries, the rights of all citizens, even the ones that are a complete waste of skin, must be protected, and the rule of law must be followed ... or else there is no real point to it all. Those who want to rule by rant and whim and prejudice will have a foot in the door. The recent fuss south of the border about prisoners at Gitmo offends a lot of Americans, but that's democracy at work. Sometimes it aint pretty, but it's the best we have ... it's really all that stands between us and chaos.
Maybe I'm and idealist, but I'm comfortable with that.
The reasons these people give for trying to inflict these atrocities on us is that we are killing their muslim brothers and sisters in Iraq and Afghanistan. Muslims are killing each other every day in both these countries, so to me its just a poor pretence at trying to justify pure evil, end of.
With a lily livered PC mad do gooder who has been brainwashed into believing they are reabilitated and have learned their lesson I would say ten years.
No, a report in my paper today says that the minimum sentence is 40 years.....so we will all be paying for these would be murderers to live at our expense for that length of time.
Unfortunately all those people who supported the “Human Rights For All” brigade are now reaping what they have sown, which is why we have prisoners living better than the majority of pensioners and people on low incomes.
It is high time that the UK government decreed that anyone who is meted out a prison sentence loses all human rights except those relating to humane treatment.
The prisoner should serve the full term that is dished out and not be let out early because of prison overcrowding.
Stop getting involved in hair brained schemes (ID cards, IT systems that don’t work etc.) and funding illegal wars and use the money to build more prisons and train staff to man them.
As someone has already mentioned, make the prisoners work and pay them so that the money can be used to keep their families and thus reduce the burden on the state.
I read somewhere (on this forum I think) that someone mentioned (probably tongue in cheek) the best work would be to make prisoners operate a treadmill to generate electricity. One hour on, one hour off for 16 hours a day. Make them work so hard that they will be too tired to even think about doing anything nasty, let alone make plans.
What about operating a laundry for hospital and care homes linen? There is nothing like a hot steamy atmosphere for sapping the strength. What about separating re-cyclable waste from all the trash that we get rid of? Saving the local authorities and us from having to do so.
The moral high ground Eric is a fat load of use as your wife and kids lie at your feet in pieces.
It is high time that the UK government decreed that anyone who is meted out a prison sentence loses all human rights except those relating to humane treatment.
The prisoner should serve the full term that is dished out and not be let out early because of prison overcrowding.
Stop getting involved in hair brained schemes (ID cards, IT systems that don’t work etc.) and funding illegal wars and use the money to build more prisons and train staff to man them.
As someone has already mentioned, make the prisoners work and pay them so that the money can be used to keep their families and thus reduce the burden on the state.
I read somewhere (on this forum I think) that someone mentioned (probably tongue in cheek) the best work would be to make prisoners operate a treadmill to generate electricity. One hour on, one hour off for 16 hours a day. Make them work so hard that they will be too tired to even think about doing anything nasty, let alone make plans.
What about operating a laundry for hospital and care homes linen? There is nothing like a hot steamy atmosphere for sapping the strength. What about separating re-cyclable waste from all the trash that we get rid of? Saving the local authorities and us from having to do so.
The moral high ground Eric is a fat load of use as your wife and kids lie at your feet in pieces.
I may be the lone voice here but I believe anyone found guilty of treason or terrorist acts should face the death sentence!
A question though: Are these guys put in with the general prison population? Wouldn't they "take care of them" as they would child molestors and such?
THIS IS MEANT AS A JOKE: Maybe our American Criminals are more morally righteous. They would assuredly put these scumbags out of our misery and make the prison yard a happier place!
Brian
Sorry to quote myself but I haven't seen an answer to my question. Wouldn't the other prisoners seek their own kind of justice on these guys or will they be away from the general population?
Thanks for any guidance here!
Brian
Segregation is a must for these guys I would say.
I think that all prison communities have their own "moral" structures ... certain crimes are OK and others, rape, child molesting, etc., are not. These guys would not last in general population.
Two things are likely to happen:-
Firstly, at some point in the future, somewhere in the world a group of terrorists will sieze hostages and will then demand that the 21/7 four be released and flown to a safe haven. I don't know what the outcome of that will be.
However, I am certain of a second event. About two years from now, lawyers acting for these four (and financed by the taxpayers) will put an appeal in the courts that the basis of their conviction was unsound. It will probably be thrown out, but within another year or so a second appeal will be made. New evidence will no doubt come to light and there will probably be questions raised over police procedures. Their conviction will be found to be a gross miscarriage of justice and they will be immeadiatly released. They will each then receive compensation of several million pounds for the trauma they have undergone.
Will anyone bet on me being wrong?
Firstly, at some point in the future, somewhere in the world a group of terrorists will sieze hostages and will then demand that the 21/7 four be released and flown to a safe haven. I don't know what the outcome of that will be.
However, I am certain of a second event. About two years from now, lawyers acting for these four (and financed by the taxpayers) will put an appeal in the courts that the basis of their conviction was unsound. It will probably be thrown out, but within another year or so a second appeal will be made. New evidence will no doubt come to light and there will probably be questions raised over police procedures. Their conviction will be found to be a gross miscarriage of justice and they will be immeadiatly released. They will each then receive compensation of several million pounds for the trauma they have undergone.
Will anyone bet on me being wrong?