Built to Last

[andrewb]

This morning I got a letter from the Conservatives that basicly had a little booklet with information about the direction David Cameron wants to lead the Party. It has aims that a future Conservative government would put in place.

If you're inetrested in the details then you can read it at: http://www.conservatives.com/pdf/BuiltToLast-AimsandValues.pdf

All the members in the country have been asked to vote on the aims and values put forward. If the majority of members endorse them, would you be more inclined to vote Conservative in the next general election?

ps. Please try not to turn this in to a 'They're only doing it to get in power, same old party', try and make constructive criticism if you have to.

 

[garinda]

I'm not being critical, as a lot of the stated aims I believe in, but I think it's worth noting that the 'new' Tories, as seen from their aims, are about as close to the old Conservative ideals as New Labour's policies are to socialism.

I think they were unwise to note that they want to be more inclusive of everyone by having candidate lists which favour women, blacks, ethnic minorities and the disabled. I believe in the best person for the job should always get the job, and hate positive discrimination of all sorts. A vote turn off for me there.

Overall though I think it all sounds like it will appeal to whom it is intended, middle Englanders, who have become bored with Blair.

 

[Tealeaf]

Sounds like more junk mail to me. Did you know that if you contact the post office, you can arrange for them to stop stricking this rubbish through your letter box? It also means that you will have more room in your recyclying box. So get in touch with them today.

 

[bullseyebarb]

With such a high percentage saying they don't plan to vote at all, how will things ever change for the better? A bit apathetic, aren't you? Surely you can seek out and support more qualified candidates. I know, it's jolly hard work - but it's your country and your government. Hold their feet to the fire!

 

[SPUGGIE J]

There should have been a "dont know" in the vote options. I vote based on what I think is best and that is different for local Scotish and UK elections.
As there is always going to be an undecided element in the voters as well as the cant be bothered brigade then there has to be something there that apeals to them enough to vote for what party offers this. Its too easy for past govenments to just appeal to their kind of supporters it has to encompass all regardless of colour class sex or what tie they wear. The party that appeals to the undecided could win and they know it so they get the strawberries and cream out to woo them.

 

[SPUGGIE J]

Well it seems to be saying all the right things but it wont convince people unless they are willing to put them in action. Look what happend to Pres Blairs lists over the years to show what happens.

 

[garinda]

With such a high percentage saying they don't plan to vote at all, how will things ever change for the better? A bit apathetic, aren't you? Surely you can seek out and support more qualified candidates. I know, it's jolly hard work - but it's your country and your government. Hold their feet to the fire!

Perhaps rather than apathy we don't like polls...or even the ever increasing Americanisation and dumbing down of politics.

 

[garinda]

At present 41.67% (five people) say they aren't going to vote.

Since Accy Web membership is open to people of all ages, perhaps your 'apathetic majority' are infact children.

See easily a possibility.

Glass half full, rather than half empty for me Barb.

 

[shakermaker]

I'm of voting age in November, so at present my selection in this poll of "I will not be voting" stands as 'I will not lend my interest/support to any of the politicians/parties'.
As Garinda said, the Americanisation of modern politics is very unattractive. This booklet of aims from the Conservatives is a perfect example. Bullet points and buzz-words do not portray the image of a hardworking team of minds coming together for the good of the nation, but of a band of egotistical people who's only principals lie with the latest tabloid & slagging off the other party.

 

[garinda]

Well said Shakey, and not because you agreed with me.

I think Cyfer should have given another poll option.

'I will go to the voting booth and spoil my paper'.

 

[cashman]

as someone who has voted for the best part of 40 years religiously, i am now at the stage that i would rather have my teeth pulled out with pliers than ever vote again for ANY of these useless,egotistical,lying, pieces of DUNG. and i,m not a child rindy.

 

[garinda]

and i,m not a child rindy.

Well let me put your rattle back in your pram then!


Seriously, I know how strongly political you are, and find what you say very sad, but totally understand where you are coming from.

 

[cashman]

Well let me put your rattle back in your pram then!


Seriously, I know how strongly political you are, and find what you say very sad, but totally understand where you are coming from.

it saddens me as well mate,but thats where i am now.

 

[SPUGGIE J]

Perhaps rather than apathy we don't like polls...or even the ever increasing Americanisation and dumbing down of politics.

That may be the case but until polititions on all sides take a reality check there will be apathy. People have reached the stage of not trusting these people or their party, hence the sod it I aint voting. The targeting of certain sections of the population and then what amounts to bragging is not the way forward. Our country is changing and changing fast and unless the polititions quit all this crud they get high on there are going to be more people like Cashy.

I see the so called Americanisation with "bullet points and buzz-words" at work as this seems to be how the company runs. There is yet a meeting that I attend that dosnt follow this pattern even in a basic form. If what is happening with the company was applied to govenment then I have an idea why nowt gets done. So much time is spent in meetings about meetings about another meeting that when the warm wet smelly stuff hits the rapidly moving rotating object then its panic stations. We have all seen what happens then.

 

[Neil]

'I will go to the voting booth and soil my paper'.

You did not at the local elections. You voted for Peter and told everyone you had voted for Gayle

 

[jambutty]

Neither of the Devious Duo is worthy of my vote mainly because they have both had the opportunity to put the ‘Great’ back into Great Britain and failed to do so.

However we will continue to stagger from one Labour period to a Tory one and back again and in the process the working classes will get screwed down more and more.

The government in office is there at the behest of the people to do as the PEOPLE want and not tell the people what they should have. The same applies to local governments.

We can all understand that in order for the government to provide the services that we want will mean taxation but most of our hard earned money is wasted on multiple layers of bureaucracy and projects that only benefit the ruling classes and the rich and richer.

So it is hardly surprising that some 40% of the population don’t vote. They feel that even if they did vote their votes will count for nothing, as the party that wins the national election will do what they want rather than what the electorate wants. Some, of course, will not vote as a protest against the big two. But all that does is strengthen the Devious Duo’s position.

So if you don’t like what the major two or three parties have to offer and are likely to deliver, then use your vote for ANY OTHER PARTY. It doesn’t matter which because apart from the UKIP they have no chance of being elected as an MP or Councillor but a sudden rise in votes for one the obscure parties will get noticed. It will get noticed even more if by some quirk an obscure party gets an MP or Councillor.

 

[andrewb]

They will do what was set out in their manifesto. Im sure this point was brought up before and I had the same responce..

 

[g jones]

Sounds like more junk mail to me. Did you know that if you contact the post office, you can arrange for them to stop stricking this rubbish through your letter box? It also means that you will have more room in your recyclying box. So get in touch with them today.

Don't lie tealeaf, you asked for a van load so after the reading the first you could learn more by reading the second and so on...

.... mind you I bet it hurt reading all the that "Cameron Commie" nonsense

 

[g jones]

Having read the thread, it's disapopinting that people have lost belief. Greed and intolerance have taken over. Government's pander to factional groups through focus groupings based on swing voters as well as appealing with the lowest form of politics, pandering to the greedy self within people. A situation Kennedy appealed against famously; 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'.

To be honest how many people bother in their neighbourhoods anymore? The simplest form of politics (where governments can't be blamed), such as picking up litter on the street, to going out and tackling other neighbourhood problems. Or ignore the problems, leave it to others, blame everyone else and close the front door, how many people every year vote for that? Too many. "There's no such thing as Society".

 

[cashman]

Having read the thread, it's disapopinting that people have lost belief. Greed and intolerance have taken over. Government's pander to factional groups through focus groupings based on swing voters as well as appealing with the lowest form of politics, pandering to the greedy self within people. A situation Kennedy appealed against famously; 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'.

To be honest how many people bother in their neighbourhoods anymore? The simplest form of politics (where governments can't be blamed), such as picking up litter on the street, to going out and tackling other neighbourhood problems. Or ignore the problems, leave it to others, blame everyone else and close the front door, how many people every year vote for that? Too many. "There's no such thing as Society".

a lot of truth in that, main problem with neighbourhood problems is quite simply - you get involved and they take the p***, swear at you, threaten you, so i agree theres no such thing as Society.and as an afterthought the goody goodys @ P.C. brigade have destroyed it, theres NO deterant.