Bus passes

Neil, I have to disagree with you.
How long have you paid those taxes?
Do you earn a living wage?

I have paid into the system all of my life. Drawn nothing much in the way of benefits(a bit of dole during the three day week......sickness benefit after a major op) other than that nothing.
And the bus pass allows us to travel on the bus without paying a fare at the time of travel, but I assure you I have paid(and am still paying- I am taxed on my pension, and on my small amount of savings) for this travel.

Hopefully Neil, if you live long enough, you will be allowed to reap the benefits of old age. They aren't many and some of them are a bit bitter.
 
Neil said:
I think your logic is flawed, I pay all those things but I don't get free travel on buses.

I think if someone took it to court they would have a good case for age discrimination.

I dont disagree with free bus passes for old folk but that is what you get, free travel on buses.
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You might as well say you could make a case for age discrimination, because you can't draw child benefit for your forty six year old child.

:D

Everyone is entitled to a bus pass, if you're lucky enough to reach pensionable age, after paying tax all your life into the pot that funds it.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
Well, when I worked in the NHS, we questioned our admissions on the length of time they had lived in the UK, if it was less than 12 months we contacted a clerical officer to come and assess their eligibility for treatment on the NHS.
The sad fact was, that those who were not eligible to treatment on the NHS would leave the country before any money could be obtained for their treatment.
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Margaret, I was once in Q P hospital and an elderly Asian gentleman came in the next bed, he couldn't speak a word of English, when it was doctors rounds his son-in-law came in to interpret, as usual the curtains were drawn round the bed, but you could here every word. The Son-in law said to the doctor, that his father-in-law never really wanted to come to this country until he started being ill:eek::eek:I couldn't believe my ears
 
groove said:
Groove thinks its wrong that OAP's get free bus passes whilst the rest of society have to pay...also Groove thinks OAP's should remember that millions are on benefits( many through no fault of their own) yet dont complain about heating bills every winter...What makes them special to everyone else on low income?
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Groove get a life :mad: :mad:
 
shillelagh said:
so what about disabled bus passes .. should they be got rid of as well ....
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I think it depends on why they are issued.

I know a bloke whose girlfriend got a nice new car on disability a few years ago because her doctor said she could only walk short distances, funny how she was doing her pub training so they could run their own pub together. Not much walking involved in running a bar is there :rolleyes:
 
Neil said:
I think it depends on why they are issued.

I know a bloke whose girlfriend got a nice new car on disability a few years ago because her doctor said she could only walk short distances, funny how she was doing her pub training so they could run their own pub together. Not much walking involved in running a bar is there :rolleyes:
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That's nothing to do with disability benefits.

That's fraud.

No different from defrauding the Inland Revenue, or one of the many other ways people try to cheat the system.

:mad:
 
I know someone who lost their job, after being laid off, shortly after it was revealed he had an incurable, degenerative illness, and who committed suicide, after trying to access any social benefits associated with his disability.

Perhaps one of the fraudters, who apparently find the system so easy to cheat, could write a guide book, for all those genuinely in need, and who find the whole process nigh on impossible to fathom.
 
garinda said:
That's nothing to do with disability benefits.

That's fraud.

No different from defrauding the Inland Revenue, or one of the many other ways people try to cheat the system.

:mad:
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Yes it is but you can bet she was/is not the only one doing it.
 
Neil said:
I think it depends on why they are issued.

I know a bloke whose girlfriend got a nice new car on disability a few years ago because her doctor said she could only walk short distances, funny how she was doing her pub training so they could run their own pub together. Not much walking involved in running a bar is there :rolleyes:
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To qualify for that, you don't just pop to your G.P., and get them to write a note, after telling them you can't walk.

She would have had to fill in a detailed 40 page questionaire, and then subit it.

70% of first time claims aren't approved, but you are allowed to appeal.

On appeal you are examined by an independent medical board, which she will have had to convince that what she stated on the application, about her physical disability was true.

She must have been found to be severely disabled, and awarded the higher level of mobility benefit, in order to qualify for her having the car.

Forget running a pub. Tell her to consider the stage.

After telling her she's a fraudster.

Who's not only cheated the tax payer, but every genuine person who struggle to get the benefits they are by rights entitled to.

:mad:
 
Neil said:
Yes it is but you can bet she was/is not the only one doing it.
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True, doesn't make it right.

Should we stop all social benefits, child allowance, tax credits, maternity benefits etc, because there'll always be some scum, who find a way to defraud the system?

Thousands cheat the I.R. daily, by doing cash in hand foreigners.

Should we stop paying tax?
 
there is a story in the paper today about a couple who were trying to live on £57 per week....she was mentally handicapped, illiterate and uemployable because of her mental handicap...she had been refused the disability living allownace, and because of this her husband could not claim carers allowance...they had a 12 year old daughter who has now been taken from them and she had lost the child benefit.......the couple committed suicide because they could not face the winter and the hardship of living on £57 per week.

How can this happen when we let people who have no allegiance to the country come in and claim a whole raft of benefits?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ullins-wife-Helen-driven-suicide-poverty.html
 
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I've come into contact with many people, some of which have lost their homes, seen their relationships disintegrate, and the one I know, mentioned previously, who took his own life, all through the stress involved of trying to access benefits, which by rights they should be entitled to, as well as them having paid to fund them, up until falling ill.

These aren't people a bit depressed, or with a sore back.

They've been medically diagnosed as having an incurable, degenerative disease, yet who still struggle greatly to access social benefits.

Like I said. The fraudsters, who find the system so easy to cheat, just write a book, to help those who are genuine, but who find the system a nightmare.
 
garinda said:
Stab at humour?

Sarcasm, seeing I'm supposedly disabled too?

You saying that, makes me think you're hurt again?

Really hope not. x

:mad:
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1 cracking black eye, swollen cheek, sore knee and bruised and sore elbow the bruising just coming out now ... :rolleyes:
 
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