Can Someone Explain ?

Shurm said:
Well personally I'd rather give it to the ASSF and have shares in the club if thats how it works. Then all the people who care about the club have a share in it, rather than give my money to keep someone else in charge who will do just what they want. Sorry if thats not what people want to hear but thats just my view.
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I was asked what I thought about this tonight as an 'outsider'. I can see what both sides are trying to achieve. I actually think both sides want what is best for the club. The danger is you ( stanley fans) are getting so involved with taking sides the split may be more damaging than what is being achieved by the collective spirit of trying to resolve the situation as it stands today. My personal opinion is that the current regime will do whatever it takes to resolve the situation.
 
cashman said:
well at least ya had the balls to say so,my view is that action may put another nail in the coffin.
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I just want the club to survive as well and I hope the money is raised to do it, good luck to everyone with their fundraising and efforts.
 
lancsdave said:
I was asked what I thought about this tonight as an 'outsider'.


Outsider! Nay lad.....its getting under your skin. :)

But you are right Dave.........Our actual downfall may well be of our own making. I'm hoping the the SOS will act as a war cry and bring people under one banner..........
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Doug said:
lancsdave said:
I was asked what I thought about this tonight as an 'outsider'.


Outsider! Nay lad.....its getting under your skin. :)

But you are right Dave.........Our actual downfall may well be of our own making. I'm hoping the the SOS will act as a war cry and bring people under one banner..........
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hope yer right doug, the owd saying "Ya can't put sense were there is none" though worries me.:eek:
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I think this (Shurm's point) is what David O'Neill meant when he said in the paper that we wanted the focus on fundraising to be with one organisation. There's clearly confusion on the street.
 
Doug said:
But; if the money isn’t raised then it seems he will admit defeat and except the ASSF/Khan offer in order to keep the club alive; and maybe the chance to pull something back for his efforts…..That’s how I see it, and I will repeat, it is almost like blackmail “give us control or you lose it all”

Personally I hope Mr. O’Neil, the Club and the Fans succeed; despite my support for the ASSF I think it’s too early for control to be taken away from the current line up.

But I could be wrong…..
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The A.S.S.F. offer has a timescale on it, to ensure that if it is required it can be put in to action A.S.A.P.! Five weeks down the line there will not be enough time to put the wheels in motion via a share issue. So it is now or never S.O.S. wise.
 
Ideal scenario is that the club raise £300k and things continue. My only concern is if there is a shortfall, will the club guarantee that 100% of the money raised will go to the taxman or benefit the club and not go in someones pocket before they leave and the ASSF take over. If I knew for certain all the money would benefit the club I would do what I could to help but I just don't feel things are right at the club from what I've read, again this is my personal opinion.

I know people should all be pulling together in one big group to help the club survive but I also don't want to see people paying out hard earned cash for it to 'disappear' as it so often does or not be used for the purpose it was raised.

Anyway good luck to those who have got off their backsides to do something I salute you, all to often the club has suffered because of that word apathy.

Hope it all works out in the end one way or the other I don't really mind as long as the club keeps going. My views are my own if you don't agree then fine but were all on here as supporters of Accrington Stanley and I'm sure everyone wants the best for the club at the end of the day.
 
Shurm old son sometimes when things are this serious ya just gotta all pull together n go with it. IMHO.:)
 
brief cos hammerd. Ihave took notes most of tomight and will post them up as soion fingers allow comprehension, 40 odd pertinent quetion were asked to prepare for war nd peace ,,,,
 
VALAIRIAN said:
The A.S.S.F. offer has a timescale on it, to ensure that if it is required it can be put in to action A.S.A.P.! Five weeks down the line there will not be enough time to put the wheels in motion via a share issue. So it is now or never S.O.S. wise.
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. Thats the problem i have with the assf, this share issue! Many people are putting hands in pockets to keep the club alive - not wanting control of it. I think the sos fund is a better method there for the purpose not so people have their own vetted interests imho.



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cashman said:
Shurm old son sometimes when things are this serious ya just gotta all pull together n go with it. IMHO.:)
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Ok I know what your saying but is it that serious ? The moneys there to pay the debt if need be that's all people think. If this is wrong people need to know otherwise fundraising will suffer that's all I've been trying to say. People I work with who have no interest in the club think it's not that serious because the money is available if they want it.
 
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Shurm said:
Ok I know what your saying but is it that serious ? The moneys there to pay the debt if need be that's all people think. If this is wrong people need to know otherwise fundraising will suffer that's all I've been trying to say. People I work with who have no interest in the club think it's not that serious because the money is available if they want it.
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Shurm, YES it is that serious, everybody must at this moment in time forget the A.S.S.F. That will be there during and after this taxman issue. The club at this moment do not want to relinquish shares for cash - that is not an option at this moment for The DON!! - If people are serious about helping the club,then they must do it now!! :) :) :)
 
So it's not an option for mr oneil yet it would save the club hmmmm who are we saving here ? Oneil or Accrington Stanley ?

How I see it simplified and Im more than likely wrong :rolleyes:

Eric runs club into ground with large debts

He runs it his own way and doesn't want to integrate the club into the community or local business

money given to the club is not used as intended

sells worthless club with debts to oneil

eric disappears with big grin

oneil left wondering what did I do

club now need money to pay big tax bill

Why does the club run so poorly and allow these debts to become so large in the first place

ASSF formed got the money to pay the debt for a say in how the club works seems reasonable to me

oneil will not accept money or help .... Why ?

Club can be saved today if need be but oneil losses control and money, he made the decision to buy it though only a few month ago

people of Accrington asked to find money to save the club but it's not the club it's oneil your saving he can save the club bur refuses the help


Like I said my view could be all wrong and probably is but before you all start it's a forum and I've had my say if I wasn't passionate about the club I wouldn't write this.
 
It’s the same argument in respect of the ASSF; if the this money that is available for ASSF/Khan is for the love of Stanley then it should be made available without conditions or at least handed over on the understanding that O’Neil gives the ASSF/Khan bid first refusal if he decides to cut his losses. Keep in mind that Mr. Khan already holds substantial Shares and it’s his money that we’re talking about here, the ASSF has now’t of its own
 
If the club is to survive it needs to be part of the community again involved with business and the people of Accrington, it's too big to be one mans plaything any longer unless I win the lottery tonight :-) In truth the club can't run in the Football League with the numbers that attend and the wages and bills that need paying. I think the ASSF sounds a good idea but even with them on board if the club can't raise the money needed to run the club day to day I think it's time people accepted the town of Accrington can only really sustain a non league team. That's no disgrace and we might do ok again in the lower leagues but at least we will have a club...... What's better ?
 
Shurm said:
and we might do ok again in the lower leagues but at least we will have a club...... What's better ?
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whilst that is perfectly true Shurm the point of it all is that we are going to try to save the club and we're going to try to make it a competitive football league team.

Forget the arguments as to whether this that or tuther with the ASSF money because that option remains in the background. The Don wants the football club to stand on its own two feet and with the help of its fans and its residents we are going to do that. When we have raised the money the club will be solvent again and will go from strength to strength. The Don stated that as a business we have standard month to month supplier debts in line with a company of our size. He said that the debt ran from 2005/06 season and amassed due to penalties (how ironic) and interest charges. As a trading business we do alright from month to month and make money (not said but inferred). So, for three years - forgetting the tax burden, we have competed as an FL team on and off the pitch. We just don't have the money or resources to be really competitive.

Don't forget that as a club we are having to build the resources (community team, academy, commercial ops) that most of our rivals have had for years and years. It's a long slow process but we will get there.

The big plus was when Rob Heys stated that if we shift the debt here and now we will effectively be plus £18k per month on the budget as set out for the rest of the season. This money can then be used towards continuing the building process, such as £18k spent on enhancing the clubhouse this month and then next month 18k on enhancing the commercial ops, and then the next month 18k towards buying better players ec etc.

We shift the debt now, and then we'll see whats left of the club before we get too optomistic! (see thread on new stand)
 
What i can't get my head round is why isn't the Don paying the debt, has he not got it? he said he's not throwing money in, fair enough, everyone has limits, but if he paid this debt off, which he knew about when he bought the club then it would be solvent now, might even start making a profit and he could draw his money back
 
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