Face covering

The vast majority of the 1.4 million Muslim women in Britain do not even wear the face veil, as it is not considered a religious obligation. The tiny minority that do are probably happy to remove the veil when required.

It is unfortunate that sometimes the odd Muslim woman is unreasonable and refuses to remove it. Such attitudes are contributing towards portraying their own faith negatively - Islam is not rigid and is flexible.

Women being unreasonable... nothing new there then ;)
 
DtheP47 said:
Many find the practice disturbing and regard it as backward, but that's no justification for banning it Ol.
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It aint backward, its the knobs that slaughter in the name of it that are, if they want to carry on like that,then sod off to where its acceptable.:rolleyes: I would ban it in certain instances no question at all.
 
cashman said:
It aint backward, its the knobs that slaughter in the name of it that are, if they want to carry on like that,then sod off to where its acceptable.:rolleyes: I would ban it in certain instances no question at all.
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A thinly veiled reply if ever I saw one Mr C ;)
 
Well, I don't know what how many muslim women there are in the UK...or for that matter what percentage of them wear the niqab...all I can say (from personal observation) is that the numbers who cover their face seem to be increasing.
You cannot walk through any of the local towns without encountering more and more of these women.

If I went to a muslim country - let's say Saudi, for sake of argument.......I would be required to cover up and dress modestly......and I have no qulams about respecting the culture of the country.......but if you wish to come and stay in this country, then you should be prepared to accept the ways of this country.
For far too long we have pussy-footed around the sensitivities of ethnic cultures, at the expense of our own.

I do not agree with women covering their faces......and driving whilst wearing a niqab should be illegal.
 
Now you are just being pedantic(and more than a little silly)...and it does not serve your argument at all.

Of course I have been to a wedding where the bride wore a veil...but it is a thin diaphanous thing that leaves little to be wondered about...it is nothing at all like the thick black material which makes the niqab.......and some of these muslim veils even cover the eyes with a sort of thick net material.....nothing at all like a bridal veil.

Once a bride is married....she casts off the veil, she doesn't go about the rest of her life wearing it...and if you look at weddings..they are getting fewer, and brides are less disposed to wear a veil.
 
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A cut and paste Margaret:
The veiling of the bride has origins in the idea that she's vulnerable to enchantment, so she must be hidden from evil spirits. The Romans veiled brides in flame-colored veils to actually scare off those spirits.

Perhaps the most evil of spirits, in an arranged marriage, is the threat that the groom, who is perhaps seeing the bride for the first time, won't like what he sees. The veil saves everyone some embarrassment in the short term.

Also, in many religions, the veil is a sign of humility and respect before God during a religious ceremony.

The Victorians turned that reverence into a status symbol. During Victorian times, when archaic customs were formally incorporated into proper weddings, the weight, length and quality of the veil was a sign of the bride's status. Royal brides had the longest veils and the longest trains.

In modern times, generally we have some assurance that the groom has seen his bride and won't be disappointed, and that the only evil spirits will be the ones behind the bar at the reception.

That's how it's evolved into a diaphanous bit of kit.
 
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well, I wasn't around in either Roman or Victorian times, but whatever...it still doesn't make it right for a modern world to accept that the anonymising of women is something that we should accept as normal....and even embrace.

It should all begin with the education of muslim young men.....they are supposed to be well versed in the teachings of the Qu'ran.

I am sure that I was once told by a muslim colleague, that women attending the mosque were not permitted to retain their niqab...... if I have got this wrong there will be someone who will pop up and tell me.
 
Well Margaret, forcing a woman not to wear a veil, burka or niqab contravenes a woman's right to choose in the self same way that forcing her to wear one does; both cases represent an attempt to control the woman and dictate how she should express herself.
Wrong on both counts in my book.
 
DtheP47 said:
Well Margaret, forcing a woman not to wear a veil, burka or niqab contravenes a woman's right to choose in the self same way that forcing her to wear one does; both cases represent an attempt to control the woman and dictate how she should express herself.
Wrong on both counts in my book.
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What book would that be D? "Billys Weekly Liar":D
 
I am firmly of the opinion that many women in this country do not choose to wear the niqab in the way that you and I exercise choice...but that they are coerced into wearing the garment to satisfy the wishes of their menfolk and the local community(You have no idea how powerful a muslim community can be, against someone who wants to do things differently)
These women(I believe) are misled into thinking that the muslim religion requires this of them.......but in muslim countries,if this were the case, then all women would be required to dress in this manner...and clearly this isn't the case.

It is wrong to allow/encourage the social acceptance of such an unsocial and intimidating garment...and it has no place in schools, colleges, courts or in a medical setting.(for obvious reasons)
But it appears that you agree with making women invisible, by citing that it is their choice, without calling into question whether it is or not.

It is a medieval practice aimed at the subjugation of women by men.
It implies that women are sluts and that men cannot control their sexual appetities.


That is my last word on this subject as I think that you and I will have to agree to disagree on this.
 
cashman said:
What book would that be D? "Billys Weekly Liar":D
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Memories Ol ;)
it was packed with great gags such as: “A football scout from a Midland club is interested in Dan Druff from Ayr.”
They don't write them like that anymore............. except in here.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
You need no special building to exercise any religious belief...you can pray anywhere - if you want to.
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Matthew 18:20: "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.";) Or, I guess, you can just do it on your own.
 
Just saw some ladies (I assume they were ladies) in the full body burkas picking their kids up from school. I don't think they should be allowed in school dressed like that. How do they know who it is picking up the kids?
 
Neil said:
Just saw some ladies (I assume they were ladies) in the full body burkas picking their kids up from school. I don't think they should be allowed in school dressed like that. How do they know who it is picking up the kids?
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Smell? Perhaps if your sight is limited from birth by a veil the only way to recognise your mother would be enhanced?
 
Neil said:
Just saw some ladies (I assume they were ladies) in the full body burkas picking their kids up from school. I don't think they should be allowed in school dressed like that. How do they know who it is picking up the kids?
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This is one of my main issues with the subject.

I disagree with the subordination of women also, there's a lot of grey areas in that minefield, but from a straightforward, for the health of society point of view, people should not be allowed to cover their faces.

I have to remove my motorcycle helmet to enter a shop/bank and wouldn't dream of not doing. It's a no-brainer really.
 
sugarmouse0707 said:
This is one of my main issues with the subject.

I disagree with the subordination of women also, there's a lot of grey areas in that minefield, but from a straightforward, for the health of society point of view, people should not be allowed to cover their faces.

I have to remove my motorcycle helmet to enter a shop/bank and wouldn't dream of not doing. It's a no-brainer really.
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I've just spent a bit of time today in London and have seen many a Japanese tourist wearing their anti-flu masks, they are tolerated and welcomed in all the major stores to shop till they drop as of course are ladies with burquas and such like.
"Funny Old World eh?"
 
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