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Slobodan Milosovic...the Serbian bloke.
No-one has been able to bring the conflict in Afghanistan to a conclusion...and lord knows the Russians tried hard.
We should not be there. Let them fight it out amongst themselves.
Our lads are being murdered by fake policeman...or even real police that our lads are trying to train....how can you work alongside someone and then in cold blood gun them down?
Let have the lads and lasses home.
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
Slobodan Milosovic...the Serbian bloke.
No-one has been able to bring the conflict in Afghanistan to a conclusion...and lord knows the Russians tried hard.
We should not be there. Let them fight it out amongst themselves.
Our lads are being murdered by fake policeman...or even real police that our lads are trying to train....how can you work alongside someone and then in cold blood gun them down?
Let have the lads and lasses home.
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I would imagine the majority of the British Public would agree. Its the politicos that dont.:(
 
Wynonie Harris said:
For a start, the commander would end up at a war crimes tribunal, like that Serbian bloke whose name I've forgotten.
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Ratko MladićI think you mean Wynn. Furthermore 2nd LT William Calley & Mai Li come to mind, when you talk about troops turning into judge, jury & executioner & that is another reason why we have military codes of conduct & rules of engagement.
 
DaveinGermany said:
Ratko MladićI think you mean Wynn. Furthermore 2nd LT William Calley & Mai Li come to mind, when you talk about troops turning into judge, jury & executioner & that is another reason why we have military codes of conduct & rules of engagement.
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Yeah, that's the feller, Dave. Arrogant looking sod. He ended up at a war crimes tribunal along with the bloke Margaret mentioned. I would've thought that our commanders would suffer the same fate if we just started executing Taliban prisoners at random.

We really shouldn't be in this situation in the first place, though. Anyone who has studied history knows that the British have come to grief on more than one occasion in Afghanistan before. But, those who do not know history, are condemned to repeat it. :rolleyes:
 
Gordon Booth said:
Our troops are in an impossible situation fighting in a war they cannot win in a country that doesn't really want them against an enemy that has no rules.
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Fully agree, It's time a brave P.M. and Parliament brought them home now.

Anyone know where we can find one?

Oop's sorry bring them home? We might lose face in the World, leave them there, prove how clever we really are.
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Wynonie Harris said:
We really shouldn't be in this situation in the first place, though. Anyone who has studied history knows that the British have come to grief on more than one occasion in Afghanistan before. But, those who do not know history, are condemned to repeat it. :rolleyes:
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Couldn't agree more Wynn & not just us, I don't think any countries military who've gone in to Afghanistan have managed to come through without a mauling. The sooner our lads & their allies are out of there the better, sadly though it's much to late for those who won't ever be coming back.
 
I am in no way defending the actions of the Taliban. Their doctrine and moral code is completely beyond my understanding and I consider them to be evil.
However, I suspect that their opinion of us is similarly low. They believe that US involvement in their country and "holy places" is satanic. They believe that underhand guerrilla tactics are justified because of this, a tactical school wholly recommended to the Arabs by TE Lawrence.
Had the Nazis pulled off operation sealion in WWII, I suspect and would expect British commando units to have waged a dirty war to its fullest extent. The difference being that the nazis would have retaliated by decimating the civilian population in retaliation. We seem to get stuck in this sort of situation a lot eg Northern Ireland, and if we don't "play by the rules" like in Kenya, we get sued for it after a number of years.
 
I'd be interested in what Dave and others with more experience in these matters ie any at all would like to happen in an ideal world?
 
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Does this not show to us all what is good about this country of ours. We Can debate these things and we can express all of our opinions. It doesn’t really matter if your right or wrong at least you can have your say. This is not allowed in the countries that we are referring to. Nevertheless we should bring our troops home now. We should get rid of all the illegal’s. We should get rid of all of the immigrants that do not speak or have not made any attempt to learn English. We should stop Immigrants coming into this country who then bring in their wife and ten kids. We should get rid of all the known members of the Taliban and anyone who abuses our troops and our police on the streets of this country of ours. Anyone who stands on the streets of this country preaching hate and death., Put them in a block with members of 2 and 3 Para. Lets see what they preach when they come out. What do you think would happen to you if you stood on the corner of a street in any Islam country and said anything derogatory about Mohamed. You would be burned or stoned to death with their governments approval . We should stop sending the £7 Billion pounds per year in aid to all countries. We should look after the needy and pensioners in this country first. If there is anything left in the pot, we can then let other needy countries have a few bob.
There is so much more to say.
 
I think it's a point worth making that even if there were no formal rules of engagement British troops, indeed forces of all the western allies, would still, in general, behave in a civilised manner ... well, as much as the demands of combat will allow. And this is a major difference between us and them. We are civilized, they are a bunch of ... I don't think the words I came up with would be acceptable on a family forum.
 
Mog said:
.......We should get rid of all the known members of the Taliban and anyone who abuses our troops and our police on the streets of this country of ours......
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In your master plan what would you do with the British people who abuse our troops and our police on the streets of this country of ours?
 
is treason just against the crown or your country as well because thats where i would start with people who abuse our troops
 
Neil said:
In your master plan what would you do with the British people who abuse our troops and our police on the streets of this country of ours?
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Neil, Unfortunately the majority of people who abuse out troops are not British as you and I know it. They maintain they are English Muslim or English whatever. Or they are just Muslim. I have no master plan its just the way I feel as I watch my country being taken away from me by the EU and another mans religion. I am English and I was born in England. I am not English Catholic or English Protestant. If I had a religion that is something I choose to believe in. therefore I am English and proud of it.
Here is what I would like to do with these people who abuse our troops and police. Arrest them and incarcerate them for the longest term that the law allows. If this term is deemed not long enough. Change the law. If the offence comes under the term Treason. Well you and I know that this is still a hanging offence.
 
Mog, why would you want to incarcerate t hese people at great cost to the taxpayer...that is...you and me??
No, load them(and their family too - wouldn't want them to be separated from the family life that they rely on in Human Rights arguments) onto a plane and take them to Afghanistan(or some other god forsaken uninhabited place).....disembark them in the loneliest place possible, then see how they get on.
Why should we have to pay for the upkeep of them and theirs
 
Margaret Pilkington said:
Mog, why would you want to incarcerate t hese people at great cost to the taxpayer...that is...you and me??
No, load them(and their family too - wouldn't want them to be separated from the family life that they rely on in Human Rights arguments) onto a plane and take them to Afghanistan(or some other god forsaken uninhabited place).....disembark them in the loneliest place possible, then see how they get on.
Why should we have to pay for the upkeep of them and theirs
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Margaret, The only reason to put them in nick is to keep your eye on them. You know where they are and what they are doing. If you send them away they can always get back and blow us up. Thats how half of them got here in the first place claiming Asylum or getting in as Illeagle. Thousands of them get in this way. Doesnt seem to say much for our border patrols though does it.
 
I take your point, but in the nick they will just radicalise those already in there.......there really is only one solution. I'm not going to say what it is.
 
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