Moral dilema.

garinda

garinda

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Following on from the questioning one of our members about what he would do if he had some information about a planned crime, what would you do in a similar situation?

The scene-

Police appeal for information after a woman has been raped.

A close relative admits he is the person the police are seeking, but swears that it wasn't rape but a drunken consensual liason.

What would you do if the person said he wasn't going to hand himself in and explain his stated innocence?
 
KIPAX said:
If she was drunk then it should still be rape.
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why ?

not saying women have to be drunk to shag me but theres been quite a few who have had a drink or 2 previous but then again i have had alchol too , does that mean ive been raped ? :eek:
 
chav1 said:
why ?

not saying women have to be drunk to shag me but theres been quite a few who have had a drink or 2 previous but then again i have had alchol too , does that mean ive been raped ? :eek:
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A very valid point. it works both ways.
 
chav1 said:
another point is that if it wasnt for alchol a hell of a lot of people wouldnt be getting laid period ;)
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You aint implying what I am thinkinking are you Chav?? :eek::p

Alcohol the best thing to make bad look good! :eek::p
 
KIPAX said:
If she was drunk then it should still be rape.
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That's not the point, he said they were drunk, the police haven't.

Would you inform on the family member to the police?
 
garinda said:
That's not the point, he said they were drunk, the police haven't.

Would you inform on the family member to the police?
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The police will make their own judgement based on any evidence. As for dobbing in the only people who can answer are those involved.

The fact they were drunk could predudice the case due to past incedents of this type.
 
I would first attempt to encourage the family member to do it on their own accord.

I would then try to find a mutual contact or someone who knew the victim to find out a little more about the situation.

But yes, ultimately if I felt it all stacked up then yes, I would inform the police.
 
I meant your story was flawed... She said its rape.. he said she was drunk.. thus he is saying its rape as well IMHO

Your story asks would you believe him that he wasnt guilty or at least take into account if it was rape or not before deciding to tell.. Had you left out the drunk bit then there would be a dillema and a harder choice... If you believe 100% your family member says he didn't rape.... in your story he is as good as saying he did rape which effects your decision .
 
KIPAX said:
I meant your story was flawed... She said its rape.. he said she was drunk.. thus he is saying its rape as well IMHO

Your story asks would you believe him that he wasnt guilty or at least take into account if it was rape or not before deciding to tell.. Had you left out the drunk bit then there would be a dillema and a harder choice... If you believe 100% your family member says he didn't rape.... in your story he is as good as saying he did rape which effects your decision .
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The story isn't flawed. A woman was raped and the police appeal for information. A close relative tells you it is him they are seeking but says it wasn't rape and they were both drunk, i.e. you only have his word for it.

Do you inform the police if he doesn't?
 
Gayle said:
I would first attempt to encourage the family member to do it on their own accord.

I would then try to find a mutual contact or someone who knew the victim to find out a little more about the situation.

But yes, ultimately if I felt it all stacked up then yes, I would inform the police.
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A nice honest answer that Gayle. Me I dont know what I would do a bit of a rock and a hard place question for me.
 
chav1 said:
why ?

not saying women have to be drunk to shag me but theres been quite a few who have had a drink or 2 previous but then again i have had alchol too , does that mean ive been raped ? :eek:
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Unless you are bummed mate!! Technically A woman cant force a man to be forced into 'performing' unless he wants to - simply it wont rise to the occaison, whereas a womans bits can be penetrated whether she wants to or not certainly by force or not!

Would say if you would be classed as sexually assaulted by a woman if that was the case closest thing for men to be raped is by other men with intention of doing your botty without consent or by force - quite horrific & is same intent as in case of a woman being raped either by front or back entrance.

Rape = its penetrated sexual assault by force or against the will of the victim. Trust me its not a nice experience & something not to joke about, specially bothers me when people 'cry wolf' it itself is abuse of the system & needed resources for genuine victims & for someone to use it as a cop out for their own actions is quite insulting!! Rape is a frightening nasty experience & even very life threatening that effects the victim & their family for a very long time after & causes long term effects.
 
Then your question should read

A woman was raped and the police appeal for information. A close relative tells you it is him they are seeking but and it was rape and they were both drunk.

Your original post did not say they where both drunk and you indicated in the first line that it was a planned crime. your latest version does not adhere to either of those points.
 
Sorry i just didn't like the original post where it is inferred that it isn't rape if she was drunk... I dissagree with that.
 
KIPAX said:
Sorry i just didn't like the original post where it is inferred that it isn't rape if she was drunk... I dissagree with that.
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...but in my original thread that is what your relative told you.

The question remains would you inform the police to let them and if necessary a court decide if he was innocent?
 
Rindy

You are in a pickle hun, you have to do what is right, least try to encourage this relative to come forward to the police because him hiding away is only going to make matters worse when they do catch up with him - that could even show guilt due to avoidance - least then its giving him the change to redeem himself, if the police wish to see you or talk with you & find out you are withholding information to their enquires they could threaten you with 'perverting the course of justice', so its quite serious in its implications for yourself too.

If it is a cry wolf situation the police will get to the bottom if it as they are aware this happens but also a same time have to treat it seriously in case it is the truth.
 
SPUGGIE J said:
Accymel what if his drink had been spiked with a "poler" drug it could happen.
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Spuggie 'could' its extremely rare besides not guarantteed the effect would keep his thingy up enough to cause penetration besides most women desperate enough find willing candidates anyway which does sometimes cause the cry wolf syndrome - which i do disagree with which is commoner.

My friend had her drink spiked with rhohipnol & was subsequently raped after being taken somewhere - she woke up knowing she had been attacked but couldnt remember incident after for some weeks but tests showed she had this drug in her system after reporting it straight away, she was a right state & completely scared of getting a drink out in public again!! Women being spiked is a lot more common.
 
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