Reason for poor gates?

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Redraine

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No doubt just like most of Stanley's regular supporters I am at a loss to understand the reasons for the decline in our attendance figures. Stanley play a high tempo, skilful brand of football which has even caused a poster on the Morecambe fans forum to admit we are the best visiting team they have seen this season, and to doubt that we can sustain our run for much longer as we are bound to run out of steam!
We'll see about that, but the product on offer at the Interlink beats into a cocked hat the turgid sort of rubbish served at the Chelsea v Liverpool game last week. Only a connoisseur of cheating, diving, sideways/ backwards passing and harrassment of referees could possibly prefer that brand of football to the 100% committed, free-flowing games we see in the Conference, as to their credit, most visiting teams come out to attack us and are not afraid to throw men forward. Of all the teams in the top 5 leagues, plus the 3 Scottish divisions, only Reading and Sheff Utd have more wins, and they have played 3 games more than us.
So this morning I thought I would do a bit of research. Most days on my bike ride to work I pass a former regular at the Interlink who has not been seen there for quite a while - one of the missing thousand or so, personified. I always shout "Get down there on Saturday, its good stuff!", but he never shows up. Today I got off my bike to have it out with him.
"How come you never get down these days, George?"
"Well Mick, I'm firstly a Burnley fan".
" I know, but Burnley were at Sheffield Utd on Saturday and you always used to come along when they were away"
"To be honest, the bloody drum gets on my nerves, and I'm not the only one".
I couldn't think of a reply to that and rode off. He does have a point though, and maybe it is a factor. I certainly don't think any of the waverers living within earshot of the ground will be tempted to come any closer to the source of their discomfort!
I know the Ultras will be outraged, but I am only telling it as I heard it from the horses mouth. What does everyone else think?
 
But you can hear it all over!

Saying that, it doesn't put me off!




But...... I think that, although all these 're-arranged' games have paid off, in spades, regarding our league position, we have to remember that our supporters are not the 'Prawn sandwich' brigade, & cannot possibly afford to attend so many home games on the trot. Having paid for my season ticket, it doesn't matter to me, other than work commitments do not allow me more than one Saturday a month off, with the occasional 'sneak off early' day.
 
I doubt the drum is the cause, and as Zayno14 remarked, theres plenty of areas within the ground if it's too offensive to the ears, however it is the excellent work of the Ultras and the drum that creates the right atmosphere to spur the team on and make the game a fantastic experience.
We all know some other reasons, Blackburn, Burnley, Christmas shopping, another may be one of complacancy " it's on the door step, perhaps I'll go next week ", but next week never comes, it's all too easy to find an excuse not to bother.
I live now on the edge of the Lakes, but rarely go in the mountains for the same reasons, but having been a life long supporter of Stanley ( first game was in 1956 ), my wife and I make the 130 mile round trip every home game, and the odd away one ( always to Morecambe, thats the nearest ), so come on you Accringtonians, if we can make it to all the home games, then surely you can make the short trip to the Interlink, it's a great afternoons entertainment for all the family, supporting a great team.
 
Quote:-If they don't want to hear the drum can they not sit in the stands or stand on the other terrace?


George always used to sit just in front of the press in the main stand, and still found it offensive.
Just think how annoying the drum is at Ewood echoing around the empty seats when you hear it on TV.
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yeah the drum is loud but it aint that load i stand next to it and im not fussed it creates a bit of an atmosphere around the ground you dont expect to see keep quiet signs around the ground do you and as redraine says they have a drum at rovers and other clubs so they put up with it
 
We had the drum for the big cup games though & still got 4500 against Bournemouth. Aldershot have 6!! yes 6! drums in their eastbank yet they have no problem getting 3000 when doing well

I can understand though and if you look on the terrace in the photos its always packed. The fans that ain't coming seem to be the older generation in the main stand & the traditional "shed moaners". (Sorry) Maybe we upsetting them?

Dunno?

We should all ask anyone we know who ain't comin anymore. Most people I know its about money. £12 is fine by me, but accy was always the budget option for football & now it ain't! Unfortunately, for 37 years we found ourselves in pub leagues & Burnley & Rovers took the core support. There is a finite limit to the amount of Stanley fans at the moment & without a cup run for 2 full years, then I am afraid the novelty of being in the conference has worn off. We need a few years (not 3 or 5 but 10 or 15) to build our core support. This was always a worry when we went full time.

I'm sure the people who get disturbed by most of the ground moving across their view in the main stand at kick off won't be impressed. So thats either the way we've set up the main stand or the fact we don't have a roof. I'd like to see away fans given all the Coppice End. It then means we don't change ends (which I hate anyway). It also means the folk that like to stand in the shed can move along the shed as they used to before segregation.

Then the roof over the Clayton End, a definate crowd getter as people will then be drawn to the atmosphere which will be electric. But we been saying that for years. But in winter anyone looking outside & remembering one of the bad days stood on our terrace will have them reaching for the remote control on the tv. We probably lost a lot by not getting that roof straight after the Bournemouth game. I mean we had the cash.

All in all, its up to us to keep spreading the word & get Accrington Stanley in the minds of everybody we speak to. Success, improved facilities, passionate fans, driven staff & directors all bode well for the future

On Stanley On!

Jase

PS remember www.stanleyultras.co.uk & the forum for all things Ultra; we have plans for Xmas & New Year games & need willing helpers & supporters.
 
I was driving this afternoon listening to BBC Lancashire. PB was responding to comments made about the council not being fully behind the club. He made several calls for local support to be increased stating that Accrington Stanley deserved to have double the gate than it was currently getting. Nothing was said that I heard that related to financial support or ground development.

I regularly attend the Bloomfield Road Ground for non football meetings; those that have been to Bloomfield Road recently might agree that should there be a similar development in Accrington the club could only benefit beyond our wildest dreams. I think the key to the future now is in how the town responds to developing the ground. HBC and the Club need to be focusing on the ground now, you’ve got a talented team and a good manager, sort the ground out and the crowds will follow.

I would also suggest that a discounted gate for the winter months with plenty of hot drinks and grub available at reasonable prices will swill the numbers. Accrington Stanley is now a business, treat it like one and all of us will benefit.
 
Maybe a point that some people have left cause of thwe drum but i reckon the ultras have created more fans e.g. the young lads who stand just infront of the crash barrier who seem to really enjoy the atmosphere of the games. Watever anyone does though there will always be moaners!!! Lower the ticket price alot of season ticket holders will complain that they are getting ripped off! Cant Please everyone!
 
John_Timmins said:
Maybe a point that some people have left cause of thwe drum but i reckon the ultras have created more fans e.g. the young lads who stand just infront of the crash barrier who seem to really enjoy the atmosphere of the games. Watever anyone does though there will always be moaners!!! Lower the ticket price alot of season ticket holders will complain that they are getting ripped off! Cant Please everyone!
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Still think Saturday that the Clayton End was busy & so was the Main Stand

Its that bus shelter down the side that seems to have lost its "fullness". Maybe I am wrong but that could be segregation & the fact that people used to wander from one end to the other & now can't

I think the atmosphere behind the goal is the key especially in the day & age of all seater stadia but maybe we should make sure the drumming at home is NOT non stop. We can only try.....
 
Drums shouldn’t be an issue, this is only drawing attention away from the real issues and that’s the fact that the ground is poor and open to the elements. Parking, Food, Cover from the elements and a focus on the ground image. People have so much more choice open to them these days and will choose to stay warm, fed and dry on a Saturday afternoon, remember you’re seeking to increase local pride and build support from the local population. These people aren’t die hard fans, their soft and want more than pure entertainment that the game will provide alone. Some of the people on this site have become ardent fans only after catching the bug of being at a real intense match, its show time; build your fan base by building your business. The ultras have been a successful element in the teams and clubs success, as have the official supporters club. You now need to bring all the facets together.

Drums? I recall promising someone that I would come over for a match; I got to Accrington but got way laid. I was in Accrington Cemetery when I heard and uproar and the drums came alive. Proud are what. I had tears in my eyes and I regretted the fact I didn’t get there. What I’m saying is that the drums have a place, but you need to find out what’s missing not what you already have.
 
The drum is a very poor excuse. Like other people have said there are plenty of places in the rest of the ground where it's not as loud.

Personally I love the drum, and the rest of the Ultras adding to the atmosphere, even if it takes me 24 hours for me to stop humming the tune from Ring of Fire.
 
In my job I travel to peoples homes around the borough & on mentionng the Stanley receive comments as "yes, I was in my garden on Saturday & could hear the crowd." On telling them to get down & support what is their home town team often the reply is somewhat apathetic. We need to create more excitement, a buzz about the club, something Jase & the Ultras are trying out in town. Get John & the players out into the community visiting schools, taking part in sports lessons to show the club is a part of this community. OK odd ones as Rommy Bocco went to Hollins but more of this is needed & on a greater scale. Blaming the drum is a lame excuse, look at the continental clubs where they have almost a full orchestra of drums, trumpets etc. The whole reason the club is doing well is to quote JC "the noise, songs & atmosphere created by the fans that encourages the players & creates an imposing environment that travelling clubs find intimidating." Lets have less excuses & more encouragement. Talk to ex fans, mates etc. Tell them how the club is on the brink of realising its dream of a return to league football, how exiting the play is at this level & that you can't beat being there. Try & encourage just one person to take another look & come to the next home game. If only half stay as regulars & do the same we can pull the crowds in again. If a farming community as Hereford can pull in crowds of 3000 plus with their dingy facilities we can do better. COME ON, AFTER ALL - THIS IS THE SEASON!
 
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I've mentioned it before and have been shot down, but I still think for a lot of people it is the cost, and yes I know we are only charging within what is the admission guide lines. Mum, Dad, plus two children is a big chunk out of a lot of people in Hyndburns weekly income.

In fashion you have a sale. Why not early next season, whilst we are still in a strong promotion position, have one week free admission? Yeah we would loose the revenue for one week, but with the right publicity you could get guaranteed television coverage, and press besides the Observer. With the right promotion we'd have a capacity gate, and hopefully show alot of people who haven't been before, who have stopped coming for whatever reason, what a cracking afternoon we have at the Interlink, and get them hooked on becoming regulars.
 
I'm all for the drum and the atmosphere the Ultras create. I'm sure Coley and the players would prefer that to the fairly quiet home crowds we had a couple of years ago. At away matches they're awsome and worth an extra player.

As for the poor gates, they were even the main point in The Times article on Saturday's match: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,27-1921911,00.html. Here we are with a return to the league more than just a possibility and still the punters won't turn up. All power to Jase and the Ultras in their efforts to drum up support but where are they? Even winning Unibond Div 1 we had over 1800 when promotion was beckoning.
 
I think you’ve made some excellent points there big al. It is a matter of instilling pride and developing the passion for local football back into people, who have for the most part seem apathetic to what’s happening out there on the pitch. The Drum’s are incidental, but can be used effectively to build up the adrenalin and awaken passion within the supporters, played badly or at the wrong time they become an annoyance and a distraction for the real hero’s….Coleys Gold “The Players”. I’ve have paid interest into what’s happening over there, not in the stands but here at home, Kipax’s photographs, the Ultras site and the Official Accrington Stanley site and of course this site have all played there part in keeping me informed. But it’s the local population that needs to be informed. What big al is suggesting is in part a large piece of the answer, more as got to be done to promote the club in the minds of our own people. I take issue with Rindy on the point of free seats, it won’t work without widespread promotion, and if your going to spend money promoting free seats you loose out twice, the loss on the gate and the cost of promoting free seats. Much better to have a lower gate price coupled with other special events prior to the main game. If you’re going to spend money to promote something you need to recover your costs. A 2300 plus gate at £9.50 is always going to be better than 1300 at £12.50 and 6000 at bugger all won’t help anyone if they don’t come back the following week. Facilities and publicity is the key to future success, you need to build on the positives. Good publicity, Pride, Passion and a good Business plan will take you beyond the known future.
 
Doug said:
I take issue with Rindy on the point of free seats, it won’t work without widespread promotion, and if your going to spend money promoting free seats you loose out twice, the loss on the gate and the cost of promoting free seats. Much better to have a lower gate price coupled with other special events prior to the main game. If you’re going to spend money to promote something you need to recover your costs. A 2300 plus gate at £9.50 is always going to be better than 1300 at £12.50 and 6000 at bugger all won’t help anyone if they don’t come back the following week.
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Trust me, a loss leader does work if done properly. As for cost, in advertising a major promotion it can be kept to a mimimum, or better still free. Promotion was my job for seventeen years in London's fashion industry. I took a fusty old gentlemans shirtmakers, with an annual turnover of 500k to over six million in five years, all without spending a friggin' penny, as well as attracting younger trendier clients like Beckham and Eubank. All it takes is a couple of calls to the right tv station/newspapers if you have a story worth picking up on, which a free admission to our famous club would be.

Sometimes you have to loose a little to gain a lot.

Doug was it Saturday you came from the Fylde coast to Ossy Mills, but not the Interlink?:confused:
 
I think the problem we have is the local radio stations. They play to the big crowds at Blackburn and Burnley, who can blame them.
Its difficult to follow Stanley when they are away if you can't travel, because the rare full radio coverage we get is only for home matches when we should be at the ground anyway.
Other clubs don't have the problem of two big clubs in the area stealing the broadcasting air time.
 
Have anyone noticed how many former Accringtonians travel from out of town to watch Stanley. I regularly attend most home matches coming from Wigan, as well as as many away games I possibly can (work permitting). I know a guy that travels over the pennines from Teeside to most home matches and the odd away match, especially when we play Scarboro, halifax, he was even at the Morecambe game earlier this season. Then of course there is the couple from the Lake district who do a round trip of 130 miles.
Yes we have a core from Accrington itself, but after the match against Kidderminster (which I couldn't get to because of work commitments) I was listening to Radio Lancs and who got pride of place - Morecambe for beating Grays 3-0 (btw thanks Shrimps), not Stanley who moved 4 points clear at the top. Even the phone in after 6 pm was dominated by Dingle whingers or someone wanting a pop at the Oystons etc etc - not one call about Stanley that I can recall. JC is right in the story in the Times. God help us if/when we get promotion because I cannot see us sustaining a team on the back of 1300-1600 supporters.
 
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