Women & Work

[Bonnyboy]

I will assume (idiot I know) that from lets say the late 60’s that it started to become more acceptable for women to go out to work. Independence for the ladies…excellent. Families become generally more prosperous…great.

Has this “new” lifestyle contributed to there being huge amounts of debt owed by many families. The “keep up with the Jones’ syndrome” type thing ?

Perhaps more importantly, has this contributed to the streets being full ,of what appears to be, more delinquents than ever before ?

 

[garinda]

I think you'll find that in this part of the industrialised world, that women have been going out to work since the 1860's.

 

[cherokee]

Perhaps more importantly, has this contributed to the streets being full ,of what appears to be, more delinquents than ever before ?



Think thats down to parents and police not being allowed to give a clip round the ear.

 

[Bonnyboy]

I think you'll find that in this part of the industrialised world, that women have been going out to work since the 1860's.

You are most likely correct, they would work out of necessity I expect, the questions I posed was a generalisation to say the least. Just wondered if the questions “held any water” as they say.

 

[lancsdave]

I think the general conscensus is that the delinquents on the streets are not there because their parents are working, it's more likely their parents are at home drunk out of their minds.

 

[Bonnyboy]

Think thats down to parents and police not being allowed to give a clip round the ear.

It's the parenting issue I was asking about, maybe there is nobody there to give them a clip around the ear, even if it was allowed.

 

[garinda]

Women from the ages of eight or nine have worked in the Lancashire mills for generations, and still found time to raise families who somehow managed to live within their meagre means.

Personally I blame Thatcher. Sadly in the eighties the psyche of the British changed forever. Sod helping your neighbour, it was all about me, me, me, and what I want, and to hell with the rest of you.

 

[cashman]

dont think that has contributed much to that, (debt i mean) think standards did decline somewhat in late 60s though, due to young folk (like me) having loads of dosh,n knowing it all, which seemed great at the time, but in retrospect everythings much simpler with hindsight.

 

[Bonnyboy]

I think the general conscensus is that the delinquents on the streets are not there because their parents are working, it's more likely their parents are at home drunk out of their minds.

That's a larger generalisation than my initial one. Lots of our yobs come from what should be a good background. Nice house, couple of cars, house full of gadgets. But has mother been at home?

 

[garinda]

But has mother been at home?

Mother yes, and perhaps the second step-father, or current partner.

 

[Bonnyboy]

dont think that has contributed much to that, (debt i mean) think standards did decline somewhat in late 60s though, due to young folk (like me) having loads of dosh,n knowing it all, which seemed great at the time, but in retrospect everythings much simpler with hindsight.

Hindsight is great, must say I wish I had it

 

[cherokee]

It's the parenting issue I was asking about, maybe there is nobody there to give them a clip around the ear, even if it was allowed.

Nah im with rindy here , women have worked for years and still managed to raise familes and keep their kids under control .
On this issue IMO its all down to the non parent doo gooders telling us how to raise our children and thinking they are better for it . (the children i mean)
Dont get me wrong i dont agree with lethering kiddies but it never hurt any of us to get a clout if we did wrong or even to get the cane at school. nowadays even the teachers darent say boo to em .

 

[Bonnyboy]

Mother yes, and perhaps the second step-father, or current partner.

The issue of divorce must have an effect ( I think that was what your point was) Divorce seemed to be a taboo topic in the early 60's now it is barely a talking point.

 

[Bonnyboy]

Nah im with rindy here , women have worked for years and still managed to raise familes and keep their kids under control .
On this issue IMO its all down to the non parent doo gooders telling us how to raise our children and thinking they are better for it . (the children i mean)
Dont get me wrong i dont agree with lethering kiddies but it never hurt any of us to get a clout if we did wrong or even to get the cane at school. nowadays even the teachers darent say boo to em .

I agree, disciplne seems to have gone right out the window

 

[cashman]

though its a generalisation i think its more a case of= monkey see, monkey do,with kids, in many cases whatever happens at home when young,seems to be the norm.

 

[garinda]

The issue of divorce must have an effect ( I think that was what your point was) Divorce seemed to be a taboo topic in the early 60's now it is barely a talking point.

No, my point was that all the ills of society today aren't down to women going out to work. Your argument holds no water. As the example shows, the majority of women around here have been going out to work for well over a hundred and fifty years. They didn't go into debt to have a better mangle than their neighbours, nor did their children go around terrorising their neighbourhoods.

 

[cherokee]

Well i was divorced and on my own with 3 little uns for 3 yrs and i had a job and a car (ok not my own home) but lived a decent lifestyle and i still managed to keep my kids from drugs,jail,and terrorising people.etc

 

[Bonnyboy]

No, my point was that all the ills of society today aren't down to women going out to work. Your argument holds no water. As the example shows, the majority of women around here have been going out to work for well over a hundred and fifty years. They didn't go into debt to have a better mangle than their neighbours, nor did their children go around terrorising their neighbourhoods.

I’m not suggesting that all the ills of today’s society are due to women going out to work, merely asking for feedback on the initial questions. The women around here may well have been going out to work for many years, I suspect so in many other areas too. The acceptability , generally, of the practice seems to be more recent and on a larger scale.

 

[cashman]

Well i was divorced and on my own with 3 little uns for 3 yrs and i had a job and a car (ok not my own home) but lived a decent lifestyle and i still managed to keep my kids from drugs,jail,and terrorising people.etc

that i would say validates my point.

 

[Bonnyboy]

Well i was divorced and on my own with 3 little uns for 3 yrs and i had a job and a car (ok not my own home) but lived a decent lifestyle and i still managed to keep my kids from drugs,jail,and terrorising people.etc

Great to hear that, would seem that it's becoming ever harder to do as you have done. Just asking if women working added to the problem.